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03-09-2002, 05:54 AM
Grady I read what you posted about the "Added" money at tournaments...And I agree with you 100%....If you promise the money then you should pay it with no questions.....The biggest rippoff tournament is the Tri-State Tour...in the northeast....www.tristate-tour.com If the players stop to figure how much the directors take out for themselves they wouldnt play in them....they run a calcuta and cut the hell out of it.then they run a final 16 calcuta and cut that also....this tour is the biggest scam since Enron......someone should look into this I think it a shame when the person who is working the tournament that weekend makes more than the winner....and believe me they do

03-09-2002, 07:46 AM
Points well made. Ever notice that they never take checks - cash only.

Michael

cueball1950
03-09-2002, 04:23 PM
that may be true for the tristate tour.. but as i explained in a previous post.. the Joss tour takes $20 out of each entry and i told everyone wheere it goes, And that is 1st hand knowledge. Everything is above board and everyone knows it. Grady is just upset with Mike Zuglan cuz Mike did not invite him to the Invitational tournaments at turning stone casino. Just sour grapes. From what Grady himself has said. He has had alot of tournaments where he lost $$$$$$$$$$, So maybe he should take note of how to do it and maybe he will stop losing money..........Mike

03-09-2002, 06:27 PM
Riggs, I'm very familiar with the Tri-State Tour, and am astounded at your allegations. The Tri-State does not even run a calcutta at most of its tournaments. (At Amsterdam, where the Tri-State holds almost 50% of their tournaments, calcuttas are not allowed. It's the same for many of the other rooms.) And in five years of playing on that tour, I've not seen nor heard of them running a second calcutta.

As to your conclusion that the Directors make more than the winner, I promise you it is not even close. While I am not sure what the exact cut is on a percentage basis, I'm pretty sure the Directors make between $100 and $150 per tournament. If you think this is a lot of money, and that it's worth listening to countless idiots complain about their handicaps, please, run a tour of your own with a bigger payout. Note, of course, that if you only took $50, that would leave a whole hundred extra dollars (!) to split among the top 8 places.

One of the reasons for the low payouts on the Tri-State is because of their tier-system for entry fees. The majority of the players on tour are in either the C or D classes, and their entry fees range from $60 down to $25, I believe. When you see a 64-player Open tournament, where the winner might only take $1,200, you must realize that only the Open players are paying $100 entry fees. The majority are paying between $25 and $60.

The Tri-State is a very important tour to the development of players in the Northeast. Slugging them, as you did, with this verbal black eye deserved a response.

- Steve Lipsky

Chris Cass
03-10-2002, 02:49 AM
I totally agree Steve. Where do I enter? Point also well taken.
Regards,
C.C.

CarolNYC
03-10-2002, 03:17 AM
Well said Steve,
And also, take into account that those tournament directors must stay there from start to finish, which is alot of time-so, 100 in their pocket for two days work is crap!
Carol~loves playing open tri-states!