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Paul_Mon
12-22-2002, 05:04 PM
What's the secret to banking this shot cross side. It was mentioned here a few weeks ago. Any help appreciated.

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Paul Mon

Rio
12-22-2002, 05:33 PM
Greetings, Paul. This is Shot No. 28 from Martin and Reeves' "99 Critical Shots in Pool." Martin advises us to shoot straight into the OB with moderate speed and 7:30 o'clock English.--Rio

Popcorn
12-22-2002, 07:58 PM
You must hit it with inside draw. If there is a trick it is the speed. Most players hit it to hard. You actually hit it somewhat slow. When the ball comes off the rail, it only passes the cueball by a few hundredths on an inch. I can make it almost every shot, so will you with a little practice. Remember, hit it slow.

Perk
12-23-2002, 06:46 AM
Line up banks that are parallel to the foot or head rail, and use the left/right english to make the angle. Once you understand what the english is doing to the OB, then you can make the bank you described fairly easily.

Low Left for the win!

Mike H
12-23-2002, 08:50 AM
Medium speed, low inside english. Hit it full. Make your adjustments in how hard you hit it, not the english you're using (appx. 7:30).

Fred Agnir
12-23-2002, 10:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Paul_Mon:</font><hr> What's the secret to banking this shot cross side. It was mentioned here a few weeks ago. Any help appreciated.

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Paul Mon <hr /></blockquote>
I wonder if anyone who responded actually went to the table and set the shot up.


Fred

Perk
12-23-2002, 11:28 AM
I actually was working on these types of shots yesterday. So to answer your post, Perk did.

Tom_In_Cincy
12-23-2002, 11:30 AM
Fred,

Are you suggesting that this shot cannot be made?
If you are, I agree.. if the ob is on the rail.. the only way to make the shot is in the corner.. not the side pocket.

Now, if the ob is at least and balls width off the rail..
Bottom left, stun shot speed..

Perk
12-23-2002, 11:33 AM
From my RSB table, the one ball is off the rail at least a balls width, therfore allowing the compensation for english/speed to allow for the ball to be pocketed. Like my first post...Practise using english for the angle of a bank..then work on speed to make the angle that was described.

Popcorn
12-23-2002, 11:35 AM
Why would you say that? I made the original post about the shot and that is how the shot is made. When done right, it can be made almost every time. If someone does not show you how to do it, you may not make it 1 in 20 shots.

Tom_In_Cincy
12-23-2002, 11:36 AM
I am using an rsb table that is local. (not using the internet one) I wonder if there is a difference?

The original layout (on my rsb) has the ob on the rail..

Tom_In_Cincy
12-23-2002, 11:41 AM
There is a difference between the 15 ball rack and the 9 ball rack wei table formats.

if you are using the 15 ball rack to set up your shots... and then you copy it into a post, and I use the 9 ball wei table.. there is an offset of a ball up (towards the headstring) and a ball over (towards the top of layout)

Perk
12-23-2002, 11:46 AM
Thanks for that info Tom...i just "borrow" others layouts with a couple balls on the table, then adjust if i dont care if the extra balls are there....

Fred Agnir
12-23-2002, 11:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Tom_In_Cincy:</font><hr> Fred,

Are you suggesting that this shot cannot be made?
If you are, I agree.. if the ob is on the rail.. the only way to make the shot is in the corner.. not the side pocket.

Now, if the ob is at least and balls width off the rail..
Bottom left, stun shot speed.. <hr /></blockquote>


As drawn, I can't see how anyone beats the kiss-back. I set this shot up as double-kiss in the lower right corner for laughs or when playing "horse." It's a nice one-pocket shot, too.

Fred

Popcorn
12-23-2002, 11:53 AM
Sounds like you have doubts as to how to make the shot. I make the shots below. Shot number 1 is No trick, it goes one rail with no double kiss. Shot number 2 is banked cross corner and the cue ball does not cross in front of the object ball. It banks straight across. When it comes to banks, it's amazing what can be done. Unlike the other bank, even if I do the shots in front of you, you still may never make them.

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Fred Agnir
12-23-2002, 11:53 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> Why would you say that? I made the original post about the shot and that is how the shot is made. When done right, it can be made almost every time. If someone does not show you how to do it, you may not make it 1 in 20 shots. <hr /></blockquote>
My layout has the ball frozen on the cushion. If it isn't on the cushion (like a ball out), then it's a simple hold-up. But, on the cushion, the kiss is on.

Fred

Popcorn
12-23-2002, 01:26 PM
No, I think something is getting messed up. The ball is one ball from the rail, on the diamond. The cueball is on the spot. The ball could be banked though, even if it was frozen to the rail. Just not with a cueball. You would have to use a tennis or golf ball as the cueball. That is a scam though, the other shot is a legal.

Tom_In_Cincy
12-23-2002, 01:27 PM
works good with a golf ball too

Paul_Mon
12-23-2002, 03:03 PM
Thanks to all that replied. I set the shot up with the object ball exactly one balls width away from the rail. I could not make it with dirty Centenials and the blue circle cue ball. I made it on the first, second and third try using waxed Centenials and the red circle cue ball!!! After those attempts went in I tried again using a dirty Centenial and the red circle cue ball and it went in. I eventually made the shot using the dirty Centenial and the blue circle ball. BTW, I'm shooting this on a GCIII with worn 860 Simonis.


Paul Mon

12-24-2002, 10:03 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr>


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Tom_In_Cincy
12-24-2002, 10:11 PM
These symbols relate to this site's pool table diagram.

You just copy everything from the 'start' to the 'end' and then paste the info into the "wei" table diagram to look at what the poster is describing.

Go to this site.. and download the table or just book mark it in your 'favorites' list.

You have to have 'shockwave' media player for the table to operate correctly..

everything you need to know is available at this site

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2_help.html

9 Ball Girl
12-25-2002, 12:15 AM
will8834, go here:

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