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TomBrooklyn
01-26-2003, 12:47 PM
At a lot of small local tournaments, I have seen the finalists agree to split the first and second prize winnings before starting the match, regardless of who wins. They generally do this pretty openly, it's not a big secret. There is no side action going on at these tourneys.

At one somewhat bigger local tourney where there was a calcutta, I saw the final match called off because the finalists went to the TD and told him they had decided to split, or else he had overheard them, as they were not making a big secret of it either. It was then decided they would play one game to determine the winner of the calcutta. It was disappointing to the fans who hung around to watch the final match.

Jon from MN
01-26-2003, 01:01 PM
Personally i think it rips off the people who participated in the calcutta a race to 1 no way the td shouldnt allow it the players should not be allowed to do this or shouldnt be allowed to play in the next one. Here we have the casino tour and alot of players go together and Im sure alot of them split but NEVER has that been allowed as far as I know. I say players get prostituted from leagues, pool halls, bar owners, tourny directors,e.t.c. now the spectators who buy players in calcutta are getting it too. we need to stop this sort of thing or we never will have a chance to get corporate america to jump on board. JMO ~~ Jon from Mn~~

Popcorn
01-26-2003, 01:15 PM
They all do it. In some cases they have little choice, the money is too top ended. First is $7500 and second is $3000. They don't want to play one match for $4500. Kennedy, Hall, Varner, and many of the pros do it. In some cases they are splitting most of the money, since much of it is in the first few places. It can be bad sometimes though. I was at one tournament and the final was Kennedy and Parica (sp?). They had split and did not even make the match look good. Kennedy beat Parica 11 to 3 and Parica just shot at and missed everything. It looked real bad.

Harold Acosta
01-26-2003, 01:26 PM
Popcorn, no offense intended but names should not be thrown around like this. We all know this $hit happens. We must be aware that altough we are not getting big $$$ from big corporate sponsors to throw in at events, we will never get off the ground again if we keep posting this type of info on the net.

Harold ~ truly convinced that pool/billiards will NEVER find another big sponsor like CAMEL/RJ Reynolds. Our glory days are forever gone!

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TomBrooklyn
01-26-2003, 01:31 PM
How does that reconcile with boxing, Harold? There are big purses and corporate sponsership for prize fights, but there have been suspicions of some fights being fixed.

Popcorn
01-26-2003, 01:35 PM
Lets just say they pretty much all do it now and then. I don't condone, or condemn it, I do understand it though. Most don't have a pot to pi%&amp; in and don't want to risk even a few thousand on one race. To them it is just a payday and they prefer the bird in the hand.

Harold Acosta
01-26-2003, 01:45 PM
Tom, that is another twenty-dollar bill. We all know that influences in boxing are from "another world", a whole different ball game....and there is so mcuh money to clean in boxing.....

snipershot
01-26-2003, 02:24 PM
It's not hard to see what's wrong with the game when it's right in front of our faces.

Jon from MN
01-26-2003, 09:36 PM
Look at what has went wrong with boxing to many different titles, and fixed fights but they do allow personalitys In pool there are how many different leagues the vnea apa bca how many more. there is no way we could pull all the powers together. That way we never will have any true say over our game. We dont have 1 strong voice saying hey this is how we need to get everyone on the same mission. thats putting pool on the same level as golf and tennis. jmo Jon from mn

jjinfla
01-27-2003, 06:39 AM
If the players split - then the Calcutta should be split. I see a lot of splits in local tournaments, but that is small money, and the players are just tired and want to go home. The best one I saw was at a local tournament where the better player was on the loss side and the other guy asked him if he wanted to split. The guy said let's play the first match (he has to win two) and if I win then we will split. So they played the first match and the guy on the winners side just went thru the motions and the guy on the losers side won the first match. Then instead of splitting he said he was shooting so good that they should play out the match. Now the guy on the winners side was so po'd he couldn't do anything right and lost the match. Needless to say, nobody will split with that jerk anymore. Jake~~~the payout was $75-$40. So the guy sold out for $17.

Fred Agnir
01-27-2003, 07:49 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote jjinfla:</font><hr> If the players split - then the Calcutta should be split. <hr /></blockquote>
I think this is a good solution if all parties involved agree.

Fred

PoolFan
01-27-2003, 08:35 AM
This is one of the biggest problems with Calcuttas. If two players are splitting in the finals, that is fine in my mind, if and only if they both own themselves in the Calcutta. Otherwise, the railbirds who bought the players get the shortend of the stick.

If I own one of those guys and they split, I'm pissed! I want them to play it out.

I like getting into Calcuttas, but things like this can be frustrating. I once bought a favorite at an Open tournament. He had been placing the the top 5 for the last few events. In the first round, he played a "B" player a race to 9. The "B" player was up 5-nothing and my horse undid his cue and walked out of the poolroom. I was stuck whatever I paid for him. Nothing worse than buying a horse without HEART!!!

#### leonard
01-28-2003, 07:37 AM
I remember hearing either that the New York Times, when it learned from its reporter who covered the pool tournaments that the prize money was being split stopped covering pool. Or the reporter went to the Times saying he wouldn't cover the events because of the splitting of the prize money. Just wish my memory was better on this.####

#### leonard
01-28-2003, 07:45 AM
Jon I saw a piece on the Golf Channel where to date they have raised $700,000,000 for Charities. Pool is 699,500,000 behind and will never get going until they steal the for charity format from Golf. ####

Popcorn
01-28-2003, 08:14 AM
In most cases, it is not an after thought they come up with. It is arranged before the tournament even starts. Because promoters want to advertise a big first prizes, much of the money is in the first few places. A corporation of good players can split up as much as 60% of all the prize money guaranteeing themselves a payday. Especially if players are traveling together, you can expect it.

Troy
01-28-2003, 05:22 PM
I personally believe any form of "fixing the results" can be labeled as nothing short of CHEATING, plain and simple.

For those that think it is OK at small, local tournaments, but is not OK at large tournaments, possibly with a Calcutta, please define "Being a Little Pregnant".

If Pool is ever to rise above the WWF of sporting events and obtain real sponsorship, this must stop !!! Golf and Bowling (for example) have been able to accomplish this; it is past time for Pool and Pool Players to step up.

If anyone is interested, please visit the USPPA Press Release at http://www.azbilliards.com/2000pressrelease.cfm?id=81 and read what Tony Annigoni said about the Reno Sands USPPA event this past December held in conjunction with the Reno Sands Open.

Troy

Jon from MN
01-28-2003, 11:24 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote #### leonard:</font><hr> Jon I saw a piece on the Golf Channel where to date they have raised $700,000,000 for Charities. Pool is 699,500,000 behind and will never get going until they steal the for charity format from Golf. #### <hr /></blockquote>


dont think for a minute that golf did all of that with 10 different organizations they have 1 the pga Im sorry 2 lpga also. and every golf course out there play by there rules. cant say that about pool. Heck the so called players organization the bca cant even agree to have all the leagues that they endorse play by 1 set of rules. Untill the major organizations get organized we the pool players the ones who totally support the game will get ripped off and prostituted. All the organizations care about is there money. not the good of the game. Do you think if some major money were to come in that all of these organizations would survive. NO major money would take a major dedication which cant be achieved with the people running our sport today. We the pool players have No Say

Chris Cass
01-28-2003, 11:36 PM
Hi Troy,

I happen to agree with you. Even small tourneys they might do it to short the house if it was a race to 9 and you had to pump quarters. One thing you can count on from me is, I don't do savers either. If I'm there, I'm there to win.

Regards,

C.C.~~and the sour dough brothers can keep their rack too.