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02-19-2003, 01:11 AM
MR D EMAILS me: I would really like to hear more about cues from you. I was getting ready to buy a new cue & some professional input would be valuable. What tip to use on my break cue. What about the playing cue. What is your opinion on the Preditor shafts. What kind of joint do you like. I understand you are sponsored by Meucci, but I also believe you will give me the real info & share it on the board. I guess I basically what you to spill the beans on cues to me & to others...Mr. D...
Finally, somebody knows how to ask a good question, my compliments Mr D. A lot of cues are bought by the Monkey see Monkey do method. A couple of top sticks in your room use a wammer, so you go by one. Bad Idea, dont copy others, make up your own mind, be independent.
But several of my heros on TV play with the wammer, so it must be great. These guys play with the cue that pays them the most money. The truth is, many of the all time greats started out playing with a Meucci, then get a good money cue deal here & there & stray from the fold. If you pay me a lot of loot, I will play with a K mart mop, so dont be swayed by what the big star uses, that means almost nothing. Dont laught about the $3.00 Mop handle, you will actually see me use it at the Hopkins, I can run a rack with it, draw table length, jump over a full ball, & hit a Masse, & it has no tip. If I have a bad night, I can always mop out the joint for money to get home on. Cues get established in some rooms. In a lot of rooms in Atlanta, all you can sell is either a Meucci or a McDermott, that is all they know. Go to another place it might be Players & Joss, it all means nothing. Use a hard tip on your break cue, a triangle, shape it a little flatter than a nickle shape. On your playing cue, if you are now using a soft tip, move up to a lepro, which is med hard, then after you have gotten use to that new feel, when it wears out, move up to the hard Triangle, shape it like a dime. Preditor shafts, I like them, they are OK. I Own 12 of them, used to play with them a lot, they do deflect less. I invented a new wood called Bankok Birch, that has almost no deflection, much less than the preditors. I now use the preditors exclusively to hit some Masses with, they will make a couple of shots no other shaft will, & the reason is they fail at it, it produces a watermellon seed spit jump out from under your finger effect, the ball skids further before the english takes, My other shaft is too good, the english takes too quick. Artistic work, can get very complicated. When I put the preditor on my old Falcon, it cut the deflection down about 25%. The shaft used to cost about a c note, now it is pushing 200, I think now it is very over priced. I used to think the joint was the main thing in a cue, now I know it is not. Its the tip first, then the ferrule, then the shaft taper, then the joint. I use a stainless steel pin, My Schuler has a stainless steel joint, My Meucci power piston has a plastic joint. Both are great. You want me to spill the beans, Ok, Price sells cues, and cues are like buying cars, they have a asking price, & a selling price, do haggle a good deal. If you get 20-25% off list, you are doing well. First set your budjet, then shop cues in that range. $50 to $100 are cheap imports, quality fair, a beginners cue, use it a year & sell it quick for what you can get, before it falls apart. $l00 to $200, this is now a very wide field. A couple of years ago I would not even sell some of the Chinese junk coming in, now some of these cues are really playing nice, & the quality has made a hugh improvement. Stealth has some great cues, stainless steel joints, real inlays, irish linnen wraps, you can buy for $125, and they play great. This is basically the same cue as Players, another fine choice. $200 to 300, now you are in nicer cues, pro line stuff, some lower end Meucci's are now avilable. $400 to $500, top of the line stuff, most top brands. Above this, your getting into custom made cues, or cues with a lot of ivory & fancy markings. I own many of these, buy ivory on a cue never made a ball for me yet. If you have the money, they can be impressive to show off. You will hear, I cant let you hit the cue, if you chalk the cue then it's used. Would you buy a car without a test drive, marry a lady with out a test drive, dont buy a cue unless you play it, find somebody who will let you try it out. I keep several demo cues just for that purpose. So I chalk the tip, big deal, I can sand the chalk off & you will never know it. For me, all I want is performance, I now use fairly plain jane cues, no ivory. You must like the cue, if it does not ring your bell, cry out for you, if you are not hot to have it, dont buy it. Make sure the cue is you. Pick a cue that feels good to you, matches your game, that you can do things with the cue ball with. A good name with a good warrenty is also a thing to consider. Pick a good dealer or pool hall who will stand behind the purchase. File that receipt, dont lose it. The average player should use a l9oz cue, l3mm tip. I use l8.5oz, l2 3/4mm tip. Colors, men tend to like black, brown, red. Ladies like purple, green, it varies.
I like a irish linnen wrap, dont get a cue that has the linnen coated over with plastic, that defeats it's purpose, but I sell a lot of cues with the wrap coated. A Schuler is going to run around $500, and offers 8 different shafts, you can choose from very soft, up to very stiff. There are dozens of other very fine custom cue makers like Schuler, if one is close to you, pay him a visit. I hope this gives you some basic guidelines. Post behind this, Mr D, I want a soft hitting cue, like a Meucci, a med hit cue, like a mcDermott, or a stiff cue, like a Schuler. Tell us which of the 3 you choose. Others will come in & I am sure give you dozens of other brands to look at in that category & offer their views of what these cues are like & what they do & cost. The bottom line, the price must be right & you can afford it, it must lood good, feel & play good. Regards, Fast Larry

Predator314
02-19-2003, 07:53 AM
I think that an under-rated cue that doesn't cost all that much is a Helmstetter. They are nothing fancy, but one of the better hitting cues I have played with. I have a 19.5 oz Helmstetter with a Moori 13mm tip on a Predator 314 shaft. I have about $600 invested in the whole setup. I think it hits just as good as some of my friends $1200 Schons.

Ralph S.
02-19-2003, 08:08 AM
Larry, I have played with many of the major brand cues that are on the market today. Ihave also recently ventured into an uncharted territory for me recently, that territory being custom cues. I purchased a Jacoby recently and was able to hit with it first although they wouldnt let me chalk it. If your stroke is good enough I think you can get a good enough hit without chalk to judge a cue. I also have a Blackheart being made for me right now. Being single with a good paying job does have its advantages when you want to purchase high ticket items like cues LOL. I will never abandon my McDermott. I use it for my breaker and back-up player.
Ralph S.

Kato
02-19-2003, 08:37 AM
Agreed. I have 2 (Helmstetters) and they both hit like a dream. The cue I like the most in the $200 range is a Mali. Always liked that cue. That being said, I'm far from an authority.

Kato

LC3
02-19-2003, 10:30 AM
It's nice to hear people acknowledge production cues. Custom cues are great and offer pride of ownership, but there's no reason why you can't shoot the lights out with a Joss, Viking, Heubler, ...

griffith_d
02-19-2003, 12:51 PM
I have a Meucci HOF-1 with a 314 and it really shoots better than the Red Dot. I also have a Pred BK.

I am wanting to get a custom Cocobola, but am having no luck. Edwin Reyes in the Phils was making me one for me, but he put some rings in it that I did not ask for and did not like. I really wanted the ER240 shaft to see how it was.

So, I have looked elsewhere. I talked to Mike Lambros about a estimate, as they seem very nice, and he has never gotten back to me,...I guess he is too busy for the business.

Prather, seems to be Cocobola crazy,...which I love. What is a suggestion for a good hitting, quality such as Lambros?

Griff

02-19-2003, 01:22 PM
This is my first time posting but I enjoyed the input about purchasing a cue. It re-enforced that the choices I made were wise. I have a Joss with a Meucci shaft and a McDermott cue. Both are not in the high dollar range with allot of inlay but like was said 'inlay doesn't make a ball". I like having the flexibility of both being at hand for I've found each has good qualities useful to switch between them, at least for me. I do however have a question regarding cues.I'm contemplating getting a Lucasi as an in between cue. From my trial with one I did like the feel and hit that is has. I've asked numerous players for their input about Lucasi cues but none knew anything about them other than being a production cue turned three times, I believe they said. Does anyone know how Lucasi compares with other cues and will it go the distance like the others I have now. I feel the ones I have are good work horses that do what I want them too if I do it correctly.

The trouble with most of us is that we would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism.
Norman Vincent Peale (1898-1993)
Minister and motivator

Heywelder

02-19-2003, 01:39 PM
I am glad others have jumped in & are giving their views & sharing the cue knowledge. Cues are a passion, & once you own one, you sort of get in that camp & defend it's honor so to speak. That cue has to be the best or you would not be using it, but the next guy says you are wrong, the wammer cue is the best, who's right, who's wrong, answer, no body, every one's right. It is works for you, then it is right. So far, I agree with every word written on the follow up posts. You did bring up one very interesting point, Dick Helmstetter is a genius, he has made a zillion bucks making the big bertha golf clubs in Japan, pool cues are a secondary thing. The Helmstetter line I have always highly respected, they are beautiful, and for what you get on the cues, they are priced right. The truth is they are a steal. Any one who wants to view the line, go into the Competiton Games booth at the upcoming BCA show in Vegas this July. I used the Balabushka
model for years to play 14.l with, my original became so valuable, I now have it in a vault. Helmstetter makes that cue. The balance on it is great, I can hand people a 20oz cue & say guess the weight & most say it's a l8. I have 4 of them, and now that I have retired from playing pool & only do trick shots, the only time I play pool is if I am giving a lesson, I am getting rid of two of them. I have a GB-3 that has been on ebay for 9 days, the final bids take place today. Next week I am going to put up the top end model a GB-7, both cues are 5 years old & brand new mint.
The only problem with this cue, is you pay through the nose to own a cue with the Balabushka signature, that are badly over priced by as much as 30 to 40%, but I could say the same about every luxury car on the market. There are people who have the money, and want to have the best, and the price is no object. I play with 2 entirly different cues, because they give me the best of both worlds, nobody makes a cue, that does everything perfect, it cant be done. The preditor & the Meucci red dot & black dot shafts do reduce deflection a lot, the Schuler Bankok Birch shafts almost eliminate it. But in the preditor & meucci, they dont jump, so you have to carry a jump cue, the Bankok Birch jumps great. You can learn a lot, if people like me, who know, & others who know, will come clean & begin to tell the players what these cues do well, & what they dont do well, that is what Mr D was asking for. I do the same thing with cars I do with cues, I have always owned 2 cars, a Ford crown vic with the cop package on it, and a Lincoln town car, I loved those old 85 land Yachts, big as a whale, the ultimate road trip car. You could hide 30 mexicans in the trunk going over the border. Where do you park the damn thing. So the crown vic is around town, the whale does the long road trips, best of both worlds once more. MY wife would say, you can buy two crown vics for the price of one Lincoln, how do you justify this, I said I don't, if I can afford it, then it is justified. My wife Sarah Louise, down south, every one has two names, you can't have one, there is a law against that. My name is Larry Lee, it's is pronounced Larawww lee. If you are really a red neck, then you have 3 names, Billy Joe Bob, or if you have papers, 4, Marysuethelmalouise. Yo Adrian, I thougt youse wuz from Philly, now fast tells me youze has 2 names & have to be from da south, you lied to me. Get outta here & take that lousy mutt Bucktis with you. I always thought he wuz some blood hound from ALABAMA. How do you know if you are a Red Neck, if your front porch collapses & kills at least 6 coon dogs.
Seriously, one of the reasons I have so many cues was I kept searching for the Ultimate weapon, I owned 100 cues & still had not found it. Then I realized they are making cues in the middle, trying to do every thing, & they end up doing every thing so so. I solved the problem, if they would not build it, I did, So I just invented the shaft that did it. The problem was, most people did not like it, and people buy what is pretty. Ray Schuler used to say to me, If you want performance, period, do we take your land Yacht out, or do we get in my corvette. Easy answer, the Vet, see Fast, you cant have both, choose what is important to you he said, I will build what ever you ask for, but I cant build & sell something that only you want & may understand & can use. We build cues for the masses. Come on guys, do you really think Tiger woods, or Jack Nicklaus plays with the same off the shelf driver you buy. If you do, email me your address, I have some really cheap land around Miami I want to sell you, just west of the airport, such a deal on this I would not give to my own grandmother, I will make you millions on this deal. When I was a top amateur golfer & ranked l500 in the USA, and not even a pro, I was going to the Mizummo factory & being fitted with the best driver & doing experiments with every shaft they had until I found the exact one that gave me the proper launch angle & best distance & roll. Hello McFly, knock knock, there is a message here. There are a lot of people who have been in this business over a half century and have leaned so much, they have forgotten more than most of you guys will ever know, they acquire so much knowledge, it is almost impossible to teach them anything, if you have it, they knew about it when you were in dipers. Ray was one of these people, one of the most brilliant minds I ever encountered, Ray just recently passed on, and all that knowledge goes with him, thank God, he passed on most of it to those who loved him and who were around him. Those who have that, have a sacred duty, to pass it on to those who are worthy of it, or who might understand it. Here is my position, let me state it, everyone get ready to cut & paste & save then you can take this out of text & use it against me to embarass me like you have been doing so far. I dont no nuttin. I tell every student that up front. All I know, is that I now know nothing. When Aristotle was 85 & was the most learned man on earth, he was asked that same question, Master, now that you have acquired all of the knowledge on earth & more than any other man, what do you know, & he replied, I Know nothing. The more you really know, you then begin to understand, you have just discovered the tip of the iceberg. I tell the student, it is not Fast Larry teaching you, or from now on talking to you, Fast doesn't know squat, Fast is a dumb S***. It is Shoeless shoe Jackson, Babe Ruth, Sam Parks, Ben Hogan, Jim Ballard, Ledbetter, Yoshi Yamagomo,Joe Hood,Fatty, Kiaman, Jimmy Caras, Bennie Allen, Fast Eddy, Gerni, Rick Wright, & Ray Schuler who is talking to you. They were all his teachers, and all he is doing to passing on to you, what they passed on to him. All I really teach, you can find in the writings & in the books of Willie Mosconi & Wille Hoppe, 30 years in billiards, billiards as it should be played. I teach what the two greatest cueist of all time did, & I tell the student, yes you may argue any point, but when you argue with me, you are now arguing directly with the two Willies. Now before I launch a new giant attack on me, yes a lot of that stuff is dated, I dont teach that, just the core basics that are timeless. I dont teach the tea cup grip, but I make student learn it, because in order to learn many new things, they learn it using that hold. No student of mine can ever use the word grip, that word is verbotten, ya. Willie said you cant hold the cue too lightly, and that soft is best & softer is better. No student of mine is ever allowed to scratch a cue ball ever again. I am a 2nd degree black belt in Karate, have studied under nothing but 6th degree belts since l965, and currently study under a 6th degree & world champion. I am a Zen Master, so a lesson with me, is like going into a dojo, it is different. I teach perfect pool, the 6 p's, perfect practice produces a pure perfect performance. When you become a serious student with me, everything you do from that point on, must be perfect. I teach what perfect is. I find most pool players, have never hit a perfect shot in their life, they dont have a clue even what that is or what if feels like. Also You dont grip the cue, you hold the cue.
The two Willies taught to hold the cue just behind the balance point, I teach there is no place, every shot is different, requires a different approach, on every shot, I hold the cue in a different place. I hold the cue a lot on the butt, behind the wrap, I can hear it now, Blasphemer, drag his butt tared & feathered now Down to the village square, somebody go get Igor out of the bell tower & have him bring the whips & knives.
Then let's burn him at the stake....Good riddance, that was kind of the approach you guys did to me when I first came on.

Hold the cue on the butt, why all the books & the great writers say only hackers do that, Really: Fast is not telling you to do this, Raymound Cuelemans, now the greatest cueist of the 2nd half of the century, & BCA hall of famer is telling you this, Steve Davis, the greatest snooker player of all time is telling you this, Jim Rempe is telling you this. That is how I handle it, you are no longer dealing with me, you are no longer arguing with me, you are from now on, arguing with my teachers, my Masters. And if you do, you better know what your talking about. Regards, Fast Larry

bluewolf
02-19-2003, 01:58 PM
Larry,

When I really let myself get into something you write, time stands still. It is like I have been picked up and taken into a room where there is nothing but you and me talkin. Isnt that strange. You are one heck of a writer and yarn teller to be able to have that effect on a person.

blu

ShayneinDayton
02-19-2003, 02:03 PM
Fast Larry,
You must have got'n you name for how fast you Type /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
Anyway thanks for posting, I'm going to Valley Forge and I owe you a Beer.

Shayne

dave
02-19-2003, 02:10 PM
Why do I suddenly feel the need for a xanex ?

Predator314
02-19-2003, 02:21 PM
Hey Larry, do you care to tell me what the reserve price is on that cue on ebay? My email address is wleonard@citlink.net if you wanna email it to me. If you don't wish to divulge the info, I understand as well.

Wally_in_Cincy
02-19-2003, 02:22 PM
Well... I guess that settles that.

"stream of conciousness", is that the term I'm looking for?

Wally_in_Cincy
02-19-2003, 02:30 PM
I have a Lucasi. It has a really nice hit. The quality is pretty good for the price (except for the wrap came unraveled, may have been my fault).

I don't use it a lot. I like the taper of my McDermott better. The Lucasi has a slightly more conical taper.

WaltVA
02-19-2003, 02:42 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr>
"stream of conciousness", is that the term I'm looking for?

<hr /></blockquote>
Wally, I think the term is "Johnstown Flood of consciousness."

Walt in VA

Fred Agnir
02-19-2003, 02:47 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote WaltVA:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr>
"stream of conciousness", is that the term I'm looking for?

<hr /></blockquote>
Wally, I think the term is "Johnstown Flood of consciousness."

Walt in VA <hr /></blockquote>
How 'bout "Rambling Aimlessly"?

Fred &lt;~~~ rafting down the stream of consciousness

cheesemouse
02-19-2003, 04:35 PM
Larry,
You are one trippy dud, Larry, I have to go smoke some good $hit now and then reread that post again......and oh yes, Lucasi's aren't a bad stick for the money. I got one for a friend and he plays with it all the time even over his high dollar sitcks.

Popcorn
02-19-2003, 05:16 PM
I have read enough, I'm done. I now miss Patrick and Downtown.

nAz
02-19-2003, 05:40 PM
we all miss them me too /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

JPB
02-19-2003, 06:24 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> I have a Lucasi. It has a really nice hit. The quality is pretty good for the price (except for the wrap came unraveled, may have been my fault).

I don't use it a lot. I like the taper of my McDermott better. The Lucasi has a slightly more conical taper. <hr /></blockquote>

The wrap thing isn't just you. I bought a Lucasi recently and like it. I play well (for me) with it. But the wrap has problems. It has not unraveled yet, but threads pop out and it is not wrapped tight enough. I also saw another guy with a Lucasi who was having wrap problems. But when I bought it I knew I was getting a cheapo Chicom cue. Since I hit well with it I got it. I knew going in the workmanship wasn't great. I'll get someone to fix the wrap someday. No big deal. The Lucasi will be relegated to a spare soon enough anyway. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

02-19-2003, 06:42 PM
i'm gunna put my comment way, way, way down at the end.....


<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fast Larry:</font><hr> I am glad others have jumped in &amp; are giving their views &amp; sharing the cue knowledge. Cues are a passion, &amp; once you own one, you sort of get in that camp &amp; defend it's honor so to speak. That cue has to be the best or you would not be using it, but the next guy says you are wrong, the wammer cue is the best, who's right, who's wrong, answer, no body, every one's right. It is works for you, then it is right. So far, I agree with every word written on the follow up posts. You did bring up one very interesting point, Dick Helmstetter is a genius, he has made a zillion bucks making the big bertha golf clubs in Japan, pool cues are a secondary thing. The Helmstetter line I have always highly respected, they are beautiful, and for what you get on the cues, they are priced right. The truth is they are a steal. Any one who wants to view the line, go into the Competiton Games booth at the upcoming BCA show in Vegas this July. I used the Balabushka
model for years to play 14.l with, my original became so valuable, I now have it in a vault. Helmstetter makes that cue. The balance on it is great, I can hand people a 20oz cue &amp; say guess the weight &amp; most say it's a l8. I have 4 of them, and now that I have retired from playing pool &amp; only do trick shots, the only time I play pool is if I am giving a lesson, I am getting rid of two of them. I have a GB-3 that has been on ebay for 9 days, the final bids take place today. Next week I am going to put up the top end model a GB-7, both cues are 5 years old &amp; brand new mint.
The only problem with this cue, is you pay through the nose to own a cue with the Balabushka signature, that are badly over priced by as much as 30 to 40%, but I could say the same about every luxury car on the market. There are people who have the money, and want to have the best, and the price is no object. I play with 2 entirly different cues, because they give me the best of both worlds, nobody makes a cue, that does everything perfect, it cant be done. The preditor &amp; the Meucci red dot &amp; black dot shafts do reduce deflection a lot, the Schuler Bankok Birch shafts almost eliminate it. But in the preditor &amp; meucci, they dont jump, so you have to carry a jump cue, the Bankok Birch jumps great. You can learn a lot, if people like me, who know, &amp; others who know, will come clean &amp; begin to tell the players what these cues do well, &amp; what they dont do well, that is what Mr D was asking for. I do the same thing with cars I do with cues, I have always owned 2 cars, a Ford crown vic with the cop package on it, and a Lincoln town car, I loved those old 85 land Yachts, big as a whale, the ultimate road trip car. You could hide 30 mexicans in the trunk going over the border. Where do you park the damn thing. So the crown vic is around town, the whale does the long road trips, best of both worlds once more. MY wife would say, you can buy two crown vics for the price of one Lincoln, how do you justify this, I said I don't, if I can afford it, then it is justified. My wife Sarah Louise, down south, every one has two names, you can't have one, there is a law against that. My name is Larry Lee, it's is pronounced Larawww lee. If you are really a red neck, then you have 3 names, Billy Joe Bob, or if you have papers, 4, Marysuethelmalouise. Yo Adrian, I thougt youse wuz from Philly, now fast tells me youze has 2 names &amp; have to be from da south, you lied to me. Get outta here &amp; take that lousy mutt Bucktis with you. I always thought he wuz some blood hound from ALABAMA. How do you know if you are a Red Neck, if your front porch collapses &amp; kills at least 6 coon dogs.
Seriously, one of the reasons I have so many cues was I kept searching for the Ultimate weapon, I owned 100 cues &amp; still had not found it. Then I realized they are making cues in the middle, trying to do every thing, &amp; they end up doing every thing so so. I solved the problem, if they would not build it, I did, So I just invented the shaft that did it. The problem was, most people did not like it, and people buy what is pretty. Ray Schuler used to say to me, If you want performance, period, do we take your land Yacht out, or do we get in my corvette. Easy answer, the Vet, see Fast, you cant have both, choose what is important to you he said, I will build what ever you ask for, but I cant build &amp; sell something that only you want &amp; may understand &amp; can use. We build cues for the masses. Come on guys, do you really think Tiger woods, or Jack Nicklaus plays with the same off the shelf driver you buy. If you do, email me your address, I have some really cheap land around Miami I want to sell you, just west of the airport, such a deal on this I would not give to my own grandmother, I will make you millions on this deal. When I was a top amateur golfer &amp; ranked l500 in the USA, and not even a pro, I was going to the Mizummo factory &amp; being fitted with the best driver &amp; doing experiments with every shaft they had until I found the exact one that gave me the proper launch angle &amp; best distance &amp; roll. Hello McFly, knock knock, there is a message here. There are a lot of people who have been in this business over a half century and have leaned so much, they have forgotten more than most of you guys will ever know, they acquire so much knowledge, it is almost impossible to teach them anything, if you have it, they knew about it when you were in dipers. Ray was one of these people, one of the most brilliant minds I ever encountered, Ray just recently passed on, and all that knowledge goes with him, thank God, he passed on most of it to those who loved him and who were around him. Those who have that, have a sacred duty, to pass it on to those who are worthy of it, or who might understand it. Here is my position, let me state it, everyone get ready to cut &amp; paste &amp; save then you can take this out of text &amp; use it against me to embarass me like you have been doing so far. I dont no nuttin. I tell every student that up front. All I know, is that I now know nothing. When Aristotle was 85 &amp; was the most learned man on earth, he was asked that same question, Master, now that you have acquired all of the knowledge on earth &amp; more than any other man, what do you know, &amp; he replied, I Know nothing. The more you really know, you then begin to understand, you have just discovered the tip of the iceberg. I tell the student, it is not Fast Larry teaching you, or from now on talking to you, Fast doesn't know squat, Fast is a dumb S***. It is Shoeless shoe Jackson, Babe Ruth, Sam Parks, Ben Hogan, Jim Ballard, Ledbetter, Yoshi Yamagomo,Joe Hood,Fatty, Kiaman, Jimmy Caras, Bennie Allen, Fast Eddy, Gerni, Rick Wright, &amp; Ray Schuler who is talking to you. They were all his teachers, and all he is doing to passing on to you, what they passed on to him. All I really teach, you can find in the writings &amp; in the books of Willie Mosconi &amp; Wille Hoppe, 30 years in billiards, billiards as it should be played. I teach what the two greatest cueist of all time did, &amp; I tell the student, yes you may argue any point, but when you argue with me, you are now arguing directly with the two Willies. Now before I launch a new giant attack on me, yes a lot of that stuff is dated, I dont teach that, just the core basics that are timeless. I dont teach the tea cup grip, but I make student learn it, because in order to learn many new things, they learn it using that hold. No student of mine can ever use the word grip, that word is verbotten, ya. Willie said you cant hold the cue too lightly, and that soft is best &amp; softer is better. No student of mine is ever allowed to scratch a cue ball ever again. I am a 2nd degree black belt in Karate, have studied under nothing but 6th degree belts since l965, and currently study under a 6th degree &amp; world champion. I am a Zen Master, so a lesson with me, is like going into a dojo, it is different. I teach perfect pool, the 6 p's, perfect practice produces a pure perfect performance. When you become a serious student with me, everything you do from that point on, must be perfect. I teach what perfect is. I find most pool players, have never hit a perfect shot in their life, they dont have a clue even what that is or what if feels like. Also You dont grip the cue, you hold the cue.
The two Willies taught to hold the cue just behind the balance point, I teach there is no place, every shot is different, requires a different approach, on every shot, I hold the cue in a different place. I hold the cue a lot on the butt, behind the wrap, I can hear it now, Blasphemer, drag his butt tared &amp; feathered now Down to the village square, somebody go get Igor out of the bell tower &amp; have him bring the whips &amp; knives.
Then let's burn him at the stake....Good riddance, that was kind of the approach you guys did to me when I first came on.

Hold the cue on the butt, why all the books &amp; the great writers say only hackers do that, Really: Fast is not telling you to do this, Raymound Cuelemans, now the greatest cueist of the 2nd half of the century, &amp; BCA hall of famer is telling you this, Steve Davis, the greatest snooker player of all time is telling you this, Jim Rempe is telling you this. That is how I handle it, you are no longer dealing with me, you are no longer arguing with me, you are from now on, arguing with my teachers, my Masters. And if you do, you better know what your talking about. Regards, Fast Larry <hr /></blockquote>

i counted, and you used 2 whole paragraph spaces.there were a couple of partial attempts but those don't count.

good boy!!! this is progress. who says you can't teach an ol...well, you know.

now, give yourself a cookie.

dan...didn't actually read it. waiting for the movie to come out. but i'm sure it is good.

cycopath
02-19-2003, 06:45 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote houstondan:</font><hr> good boy!!! this is progress. who says you can't teach an ol...well, you know.

now, give yourself a cookie.
<hr /></blockquote>Or a hotdog... if that was Wonder Dog typing.

02-19-2003, 06:57 PM
Dear preditor 314, I keep saying I am not a pool hustler, if I was, I would tell you, double dump all the other bidders. Here is my position, why put on a hidden reserve if I am going to tell you or any one who askes, you have to find it by bidding. I will run a honest bid, by the ebay rules, now I am part of the square trade program, I have sworn to up hold all trades &amp; do business with ethics. If my mom called me up &amp; asked this same question, I would not tell her, sorry. Regards, Fast Larry

bluewolf
02-19-2003, 07:24 PM
Hey Larry,

I like the blackheart. It likes me too. I tried the preditor and I think it is a fine stick but it is weighted wrong for me. I do better with a neutral balance or a forward balance stick. I think there are many fine sticks, it is just a personal thing and the blackheart is right for me. His sticks are also beautiful.

blu

cycopath
02-19-2003, 07:43 PM
What color is the wrap? Is that white with brown speck? I can't tell from the pics.

Also, where can I get one of them Wammer cues you were talkin about in your original post?*

*read as joke.

Fran Crimi
02-19-2003, 08:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cycopath:</font><hr> Or a hotdog... if that was Wonder Dog typing. <hr /></blockquote>

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dave
02-19-2003, 08:52 PM
I truly had the same reaction. I thought, this MUST be Patrick on his meds.

OOPS! This was supposed to be posted as a response to Popcorn's statement.

bluewolf
02-19-2003, 09:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> I have read enough, I'm done. I now miss Patrick and Downtown. <hr /></blockquote>

well i miss them too. patrick i had to email from his site. downtown i have to go to playpool to talk to him /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif

blu

Ralph S.
02-20-2003, 09:10 AM
Hi Wally, I owned a Lucassi at one time. They are a veryyy good playing cue for the money. My friend Mick,{not Jagger}also has a Lucassi. He experienced the same problem with his wrap coming undone. I have also seen this happen on two other Lucassi cues. I dont think its you that caused it. It appeared to be more a manufacturer defect of the early or first run of Lucassi cues. I have not seen this happen with the more recent editions.
Ralph S.

bluewolf
02-20-2003, 09:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ralph S.:</font><hr> Hi Wally, I owned a Lucassi at one time. They are a veryyy good playing cue for the money. My friend Mick,{not Jagger}also has a Lucassi. He experienced the same problem with his wrap coming undone. I have also seen this happen on two other Lucassi cues. I dont think its you that caused it. It appeared to be more a manufacturer defect of the early or first run of Lucassi cues. I have not seen this happen with the more recent editions.
Ralph S. <hr /></blockquote>

What about warpage and Lucasi cues. I once heard that this was common and wondered if this was true. I also wondered about the balance point of the cues. Is it forward or back like the preditor.

Laura

Wally_in_Cincy
02-20-2003, 09:22 AM
Thanks Ralph and JPB for the info.

I won the cue in a raffle. It's about 5 years old. I'll probably get it rewrapped. I never liked the color anyway. It's a nice spare cue to have around and it plays great.

9 Ball Girl
02-20-2003, 09:28 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> It's a nice spare cue to have around and it plays great. <hr /></blockquote>

Is it the cue that plays great or could it possibly be the person holding the cue that plays great? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ralph S.
02-20-2003, 09:34 AM
Hi Blue. I have never noticed any warpage with Lucassi cues. My best friend bought mine from me and still plays with it daily.
Ralph S.

Wally_in_Cincy
02-20-2003, 09:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote 9 Ball Girl:</font><hr>
Is it the cue that plays great or could it possibly be the person holding the cue that plays great? /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Thanks but I don't play great. Adequate would be the proper term. /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Ralph S.
02-20-2003, 09:39 AM
Wally, you are correct about em playing good. I still regret selling mine although I was able to get close to top dollar due to my pickiness of the way I keep my cues. LOL.
Ralph S.

Ralph S.
02-20-2003, 09:43 AM
Well, I'll tell ya how to buy a cue. First you go to the billiard store, choose the one you like, then plop down the cash, and walk out with your new cue. Just some sarcastic humor for ya Larry LOL.
Ralph S.

02-20-2003, 12:23 PM
I have two J. Pechauer cues, PL02 and PEC01. I use the PEC01 for a break cue. I really like these cues. The quality is really nice, and they play well. I got the PL02 because of the ivory and Cocobolo (PECO1 has no ivory). I looked at a lot of other cues for the same money (750$ for the PL02) and you got stained maple and plastic inlays. Plus only 75 PL02's were made so less than 2 per US state. I think J. Pechauer cues are really worth looking into with prices starting at 300$+

bluewolf
02-20-2003, 12:33 PM
Plastic inlays in a $750 cue? Never heard of such a thing. Not any custom person I have seen does that. /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

How much of a cut are you getting? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

02-20-2003, 06:23 PM
To: Cycopath, Dude, where have you been, off the planet for a few years, you never heard of the Wammer cue, holy cow. I make it in my tool shed, Wonder Dog helps me. I have several models, the Wammer, the double wammer &amp; the big booper, the big cahuna &amp; the ooh poop pa dupe model for the ladies. Sales could be better if I could keep Wonder Dog awake. Regards, Fast Larry.

Popcorn
02-20-2003, 06:39 PM
There is a very good reason why you always tell someone the reserve when they ask. On something like cues that cost hundreds, it can get you a lot more money. There is no rule against it, or anything unfair about it, it is how it is done.

02-20-2003, 07:53 PM
Thank you for your opinion on how to handle a reserve, I hid the reserve for a reason, so you would guess, would you be happier if I just post buy it now &amp; give you a figure to go after, most do this also. Look I am new on ebay, people are telling me to do that, I'll take what ever advice that moves product, maybe next time I'll try it your way. Fast.

02-21-2003, 07:14 AM
Greetings this fine Day;
Thanks for the feed back about the Lucasi cue but I would like if you dug deeper into expressing your opinions if you would be so kind. It's refreshing to take notice that most complaints were directed toward the wrap they had done on them...be it in the early stages or if they still do have that problem. I'm not going to be as near concerned about the wrap for I'm going to start out with their sneaky pete...not to be sneaky for I would have my other two cues with me..so foolin' folks is not my intention. I'm going with the least expensive version more as a test to see if it suits my needs and hopefully they make it the same as the others that are pretty and have wrap. I should have added to my question your input to the uni-joint they use...is it a quality joint? Also no one answered the portion of whether it will go the distance and is it a good work horse?

I was pleased that a response came from fast larry...that was an added treat. Being new I've gone through and read many of the post and read some about putting him down for this and that...but for what it worth is seems he has been around the block and back and tells it like it is or was...and that's not a bad thing. Those that have lived and walked the talk will express themselves far different than others for they tend to cut through the chase and tell it like it is and won't mince words about it. I did enjoy his approach to teaching and the view point he conveys onto the student. To drift a tad on that topic of teaching...have any of you used the game of pool to teach their children lessons of life in which they want to impart onto them? I hear so often about parents that can't talk with their children for when looking into the face of the child it's as though you can see your words going through their ears and bouncing off the walls..as though they aren't tuned into what you are trying to teach them.

I ran into that problem with raising two step sons. I saw them starting to veer from the path of life and becoming something less than they were capable of being. So I used the game of pool to pull them back on track and they didn't think of it as a lecture or what they like to refer to as the "talk"...but it worked for me. After a few games with them...not together but for the one that needed it..I used the game as a metaphor of life's lessons...and then when looking into their eyes I could see that I rang their bell and the lights went on as though I had hit them with a brick. To this day they reflect back on those times and mentioned I had influenced them more during those times lookin' over the pool table than at any other time and I even received a thank you from them which was not my purpose....the plus side effect..I have a couple good players close at hand that challenge my skills. If I snooze, I lose.

A couple quotes to conclude with; Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds.
Elie Wiesel
Writer and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Words are like bullets; if they escape, you can't catch them again.

Heywelder

bluewolf
02-21-2003, 09:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heywelder:</font><hr> Greetings this fine Day;
Thanks for the feed back about the Lucasi cue but I would like if you dug deeper into expressing your opinions if you would be so kind. It's refreshing to take notice that most complaints were directed toward the wrap they had done on them...be it in the early stages or if they still do have that problem. I'm not going to be as near concerned about the wrap for I'm going to start out with their sneaky pete...not to be sneaky for I would have my other two cues with me..so foolin' folks is not my intention. I'm going with the least expensive version more as a test to see if it suits my needs and hopefully they make it the same as the others that are pretty and have wrap. I should have added to my question your input to the uni-joint they use...is it a quality joint? Also no one answered the portion of whether it will go the distance and is it a good work horse?

<hr /></blockquote>

I did not know that the Lucasi had a unilock joint so I do not know anything about the type that they use. I do have a preditor sneaky pete which has a unilock joint. I really like it a lot. I do not know about that joint over time, but it sure is convenient. The way I was looking at it at the time was that I was buying a cue that cost less than 300. I was not buying it as my 'forever' cue. I was buying something reasonably nice for an affordable price that I could enjoy now. Maybe down the road I would get something more expensive but for then, that was all that I needed. The unilock joint made the cue more enjoyable imo.

Laura

Wally_in_Cincy
02-21-2003, 10:03 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heywelder:</font><hr>

Greetings this fine Day;
Thanks for the feed back about the Lucasi cue but I would like if you dug deeper into expressing your opinions if you would be so kind. It's refreshing to take notice that most complaints were directed toward the wrap they had done on them...be it in the early stages or if they still do have that problem. I'm not going to be as near concerned about the wrap for I'm going to start out with their sneaky pete...not to be sneaky for I would have my other two cues with me..so foolin' folks is not my intention. I'm going with the least expensive version more as a test to see if it suits my needs and hopefully they make it the same as the others that are pretty and have wrap. I should have added to my question your input to the uni-joint they use...is it a quality joint?

<font color="blue">First a disclaimer: I am nothing even close to a cue expert. But since you asked....

I like the way the cue hits with the Uniloc joint. It feels solid.

The sneaky pete:

http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/lucasi/lucasi_l-2000sp.htm

doesn't have the same joint as mine. This is similar to mine:

http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/lucasi/lucasi_le22.htm

so the sneaky will play different than the others.

I had a Viking sneaky with the wood to wood joint and while it was a fine cue I like the hit of my Lucasi better.
</font color>
<hr /></blockquote>

02-21-2003, 10:32 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote heywelder:</font><hr> Greetings this fine Day;
Thanks for the feed back about the Lucasi cue but I would like if you dug deeper into expressing your opinions if you would be so kind. It's refreshing to take notice that most complaints were directed toward the wrap they had done on them...be it in the early stages or if they still do have that problem. I'm not going to be as near concerned about the wrap for I'm going to start out with their sneaky pete...not to be sneaky for I would have my other two cues with me..so foolin' folks is not my intention. I'm going with the least expensive version more as a test to see if it suits my needs and hopefully they make it the same as the others that are pretty and have wrap. I should have added to my question your input to the uni-joint they use...is it a quality joint? Also no one answered the portion of whether it will go the distance and is it a good work horse?

I was pleased that a response came from fast larry...that was an added treat. Being new I've gone through and read many of the post and read some about putting him down for this and that...but for what it worth is seems he has been around the block and back and tells it like it is or was...and that's not a bad thing. Those that have lived and walked the talk will express themselves far different than others for they tend to cut through the chase and tell it like it is and won't mince words about it. I did enjoy his approach to teaching and the view point he conveys onto the student. To drift a tad on that topic of teaching...have any of you used the game of pool to teach their children lessons of life in which they want to impart onto them? I hear so often about parents that can't talk with their children for when looking into the face of the child it's as though you can see your words going through their ears and bouncing off the walls..as though they aren't tuned into what you are trying to teach them.

I ran into that problem with raising two step sons. I saw them starting to veer from the path of life and becoming something less than they were capable of being. So I used the game of pool to pull them back on track and they didn't think of it as a lecture or what they like to refer to as the "talk"...but it worked for me. After a few games with them...not together but for the one that needed it..I used the game as a metaphor of life's lessons...and then when looking into their eyes I could see that I rang their bell and the lights went on as though I had hit them with a brick. To this day they reflect back on those times and mentioned I had influenced them more during those times lookin' over the pool table than at any other time and I even received a thank you from them which was not my purpose....the plus side effect..I have a couple good players close at hand that challenge my skills. If I snooze, I lose.

A couple quotes to conclude with; Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds.
Elie Wiesel
Writer and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Words are like bullets; if they escape, you can't catch them again.

Heywelder


<hr /></blockquote>

Thanks Fast Larry, um, ahem, I mean Heywelder!!!

JPB
02-21-2003, 10:36 AM
My joint is different too, it is the uniloc piloted-type stainless. I like it a lot. Bill Stroud is using that joint and has said it's the most precise one. He makes cues a little better than Lucasi. I don't know about the flat faced ones. I have never liked a flat face joint with a pin. I don't like the hit much. I have a Heubler with a flat joint and pin and don't like it. I also had a Meuci that was garbage. I hate McDermotts. So I'm not the one to ask. A lot of people like such joints. I just dont.I don't know if the Lucasi sneaky pete is different.

eg8r
02-21-2003, 11:35 AM
[ QUOTE ]
but for what it worth is seems he has been around the block and back and tells it like it is or was...and that's not a bad thing. <hr /></blockquote> I don't think anyone is saying it is bad...What is bad, is his execution. I also think it is wrong to tell everyone here that the BCA instructors are wrong in their instruction of draw. If the student is able to draw the cb, even get the desired position, what is wrong with that. Ole Larry just wants to be heard.

On the other hand, he likes to tell stories. I wish this side would continue and maybe use some sort of grammatical error trapping.

eg8r

Scott Lee
02-21-2003, 01:24 PM
Does this qualify as "woofing"? LOL

Scott

02-24-2003, 03:57 AM
I am new to this site/forum and would like to give my 1 1/2 cents worth.
I know absolutely nothing about these Predator cues but I doing my research.
I do agree with the other gentleman MR D I believe. A lot of cues and a wide variety of prices. What do you want and what can you afford?
I shoot with an Espiritu, and I love it. Before that I shot with a Mcdermott. The shaft was a lot less Whippy than the Meucci original I had. I have however been looking for an old Mali. That was my first cue(way back long time ago). I was just in Japan and picked a J&amp;J for a good price. They also had a few Joss for 250-350 range.
I am however doing my research on the predators. I like what you all had to say about the shafts.

Give em hell

02-26-2003, 11:44 PM
I pot more balls and run out more often when I used a cheap harvard cue than with a viking cue. Between the 2, viking has a great feel.

A cue with good feel does not means it plays better. Just my 2 cents