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Wally_in_Cincy
03-04-2003, 09:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi (out of context and not necessarily related to my question):</font><hr> ...And if you're playing a guy cheap, like for 10 a set and you've got him stuck 100 and you won't let him raise the bet...you're a nit. (not you personally. LOL!)

Fran <hr /></blockquote>

If you don't gamble at all, does that make you a "nit"?

Just curious

Wally in the Natti~~feels like reviving an evergreen topic

Kato
03-04-2003, 09:31 AM
I don't gamble and I'm honest about it. I at one point had a problem with gambling and I made a choice. It was the right one. Am I a nit? I don't think so because I'm up front about it. I don't make excuses and the answer is the same for everyone. I don't gamble.

Kato

Fran Crimi
03-04-2003, 09:48 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi (out of context and not necessarily related to my question):</font><hr> ...And if you're playing a guy cheap, like for 10 a set and you've got him stuck 100 and you won't let him raise the bet...you're a nit. (not you personally. LOL!)

Fran <hr /></blockquote>

If you don't gamble at all, does that make you a "nit"?

Just curious

Wally in the Natti~~feels like reviving an evergreen topic <hr /></blockquote>


Haha! Yes and no, Wally. Being a nit has to do with how you manage your money. Let's say you go to a pool room every day for years and always say yes when people offer to buy you a coffee, but never once go into your pocket to return the favor. That's a nit. Nits always put money before character.

Fran

Sid_Vicious
03-04-2003, 09:54 AM
No it does not make you a nit. I still agree with Fran on the phylosophy she is presenting though. It does make you a nit, UNLESS you have well established from the beginning that you are anchored to a price per set. I'll do that, cuz there are many people who will want to put you in an uncomfortable zone by playing for too much, and they KNOW that it affects you. That's their intent. Knowing how to gamble with different people is as important as anything else. Like Fast Eddie stated in COM, "I study the people." sid

Popcorn
03-04-2003, 09:59 AM
No, Has nothing to do with willingness to gamble. A nit, will pretend to be a gambler, but will usually never really take any risks. They will jerk you around and are just unpleasant to play with. A good example of a nit is a guy you play all night and break even with and the next night he wants a spot because the game is too tough. One of the worst nits I have run into was a guy I made a game with and lost. The next night he wanted a bigger spot because he felt he had played over his head the night before. You don't even argue, you just don't even play these people. Not gambling has nothing to do with being a nit. I will tell you though, being labeled a nit in the pool world, is one of the worst things you can be called. I would rather you insulted my mother, then call me a nit.

Popcorn
03-04-2003, 10:12 AM
Many times when you hear a player trying to high roll another player, they are actually saying, they don't really want to play. "I will play you for a$100.00, Bet $500.00 if you want to play" There is a good chance the guy saying play for a $100. wants to play. They guy saying play for $500. doesn't.

Tom_In_Cincy
03-04-2003, 10:22 AM
Other examples of Pool Hall NITS

http://www.cuemaster.com/RSB/nits.htm

Wally_in_Cincy
03-04-2003, 10:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr>

....I will tell you though, being labeled a nit in the pool world, is one of the worst things you can be called. I would rather you insulted my mother, then call me a nit. <hr /></blockquote>

/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It does seem to be the ultimate putdown judging by the MENSA candidates that post at playpool.com. Their definition of a nit seems to be anybody who doesn't gamble. Some idiot at AZB even called Grady Matthews a nit because he supposedly does not gamble anymore.

Eric.
03-04-2003, 10:50 AM
I think Fran &amp; Popcorn summed it up pretty good.

My opinion-It's not whether or not you gamble, it's the way you go about it. There is a difference between having the balls to play an even match vs. being a weasel(lock-up artist, needing too much weight, won't play without a big edge,etc). IMO, those guys are big time Nits. Poke em in the eye and move on.


Eric

Scott Lee
03-04-2003, 10:57 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Wally_in_Cincy:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr>

....I will tell you though, being labeled a nit in the pool world, is one of the worst things you can be called. I would rather you insulted my mother, then call me a nit. <hr /></blockquote>

/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It does seem to be the ultimate putdown judging by the MENSA candidates that post at playpool.com. Their definition of a nit seems to be anybody who doesn't gamble. Some idiot at AZB even called Grady Matthews a nit because he supposedly does not gamble anymore.

<hr /></blockquote>

Wally...You know my stance on gambling! I made the choice to quit gambling when I started touring several years ago.
Anyone who wants to call me a nit because I don't gamble, had better be ready to step up to the table. I'll be more than happy to kick their ass for free, in front of the crowd. LOL BTW, I really enjoyed working with you and Kathy last Sunday!

Scott

cheesemouse
03-04-2003, 11:02 AM
Walley

NIT is a colloquial term and we all know what it means in our areas or poolhalls. Nits know who they are; they kind of flock together for protection and security.....heheheh /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jon from MN
03-04-2003, 11:15 AM
I quit gambling also. years ago thats all I did, played for as much as I could bet. All that it ever got me was a ulcer and other bad habits. I used people I talked BS I borrowed I stuck backers. I didnt enjoy that as much as I enjoy just being a part of the game. I do enjoy watching a good game when there is alot of money on it. I just dont do it my self anymore. Besides I think you have to season your self to gambling you cant just jump right in when you havent done it for awhile. As far as what I think a nit is. Its a person who talks and acts in a manner to which he or she not only embarrasses them selfs but pool in general. jmo ~~Jon from mn~~

Voodoo Daddy
03-04-2003, 11:44 AM
Yeah KATO, your a nit...hahaha/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gifhahaha! In real life most pool room folks are nitty, there are just different levels of "Nit-dome"....some not-so nitty and then there are SuperNits. You know the difference, gambler or not!!

cycopath
03-04-2003, 12:44 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Eric.:</font><hr>My opinion-It's not whether or not you gamble, it's the way you go about it.<hr /></blockquote>Exactly.

Hopster
03-04-2003, 03:28 PM
You got nits in all forms of Gambling. I deal dice and we get loads of them, we call them fleas. You got all forms of them but the ones im refering to are the ones who come up and walk into a freight train and bet 6+8 $12 each and the guy might throw 20 6+8,s and the guys still got $12 each on them. No heart at all, when they put their chips down on the line you can see the sweat on them from them gripping them so tight. lol
Afrad to win and afraid to lose.

eg8r
03-04-2003, 03:39 PM
I think it makes you a solo player. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif I hardly ever gamble, and the regulars that show up where I play are all gambling. They show up to gamble, and when they are done, they leave. I on the other hand play by myself.

Oh when is Ken coming back to Billy Weirs?????? I am tired of playing alone. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

eg8r

eg8r
03-04-2003, 03:41 PM
Hey Scott...You are a nit. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif Now hurry up and get over here. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

cycopath
03-04-2003, 04:06 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Hopster:</font><hr>No heart at all, when they put their chips down on the line you can see the sweat on them from them gripping them so tight. lol<hr /></blockquote>That's funny.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr>I on the other hand play by myself.<hr /></blockquote>That's nasty. And it'll make you go blind.

Rod
03-04-2003, 04:33 PM
In real life most pool room folks are nitty, there are just different levels of "Nit-dome"....some not-so nitty and then there are SuperNits.


You got that right Voodoo, and thats how it is in nit-land.

03-04-2003, 09:38 PM
This is one of the things I hate about the pool culture. Why must pool and gambling be inseparable? You wouldn't hear this same conversation about golf. With pool, it seems to be a crime among players that you can play well and not be a gambling addict. I've played for money extensively in the past, but I don't need to gamble to make playing worthwhile. I also don't see any obligation to warn your opponent that you may not be willing to raise the bet should you win. I'm well aware this is "gambling etiquette" (such that it exists), but it shouldn't be a requirement. Once you've won, the money is yours, and there's no law saying you must give the loser a chance to win it back. I fully expect to be labeled a nit now!

03-04-2003, 10:27 PM
I wouldn't ever call Scott a nit.I have been called a nitwit.On my way to Tulsa in a few weeks I'll stop in Billy Weirs and shoot a race to 13 for only the table time.
If you win I pay all the time,If I win I'll pay half the time.No Gamble,just a great workout for an old guy trying to get his stroke ready.When Scott shows up,you'll be ready for him.

c /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gifajunfats /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Deeman
03-05-2003, 09:35 AM
I think this is the best description of a nit I have seen. It is also just a word made up by gamblers frustratrated at not being able to talk someone into playing for money.

"I'll be at the Nits Anonomous Booth at VF."

Predator314
03-05-2003, 09:47 AM
I play with some people that don't gamble at all. I don't consider them a "nit". I just consider them a regular player. I have to have some sort of "incentive" to play my best. I need something to put a little pressure (or a lot in some cases) so I can take the game seriously. When I take it seriously, I shoot much better. I've played for money since I've been 15 years old. I've shot in matches ranging from racing to 4 for a dollar to racing to 9 for $500. If I'm playing around with some of my friends, we'll start a friendly ring game playing $.50 on the 5 and $.50 on the 9. Sometimes, when we are feeling froggy, we will lay $2 on the 5, $2 on the 9 and $5 for a double.

There's also a couple of guys in my area that cannot get a money game to save their life. Nobody dares to play them (even with a spot). Does that make those couple of people a "nit" because they can't get a money game? I don't think so.

In my book, a nit is someone that does gamble and then wins 2 sets/games/etc and high-tails it out of there. I've seen some people like that. I got in a game one time. This guy came in to the local PH and wanted to gamble. He said he only knew how to play 8-ball, but said he was good. I thought he was trying to hustle me. We played a race to 3 for $25. It was obvious after the guy shot the first couple of times, he was a drunk idiot with his freshly cashed paycheck in his pocket. My plan was to help him spend that paycheck. So I dumped the set to him. Just to see if he would up the bet. Well, he won the set and quit. I didn't get mad. It was my fault for letting him win. It was my fault for getting greedy and trying to hustle this guy (I was in the friendly confines on MY local poolhall. This guy was the stranger. I woudln't have tried this if I was on strange turf. People get pissed when you hustle them.) I do consider that guy a "nit" though.

*Edit*
One thing I've learned is that if you are looking to play some with a person that has been labeled as a "nit", you should freeze up a certain amount. For example, if you want to play a set for $50. Freeze up something like $200 and play until one of you win that much.

I still feel that what Fran is saying about having someone down $100 and not raising the bet does not make you a nit. If you are playing for $10 a set and you are up $100, you have just beat this person to a 10 set advantage. You may have play 20 sets to get this much up. Why should I feel obligated to feel bad for this person and raise the stakes just so that person has a chance to get all their money back just by gaining maybe 2 or 3 sets on me? It's just common sense in my opinion. I don't always go by this rule though. You have to know who you're playing. If it's someone you know, I will allow them to raise the stakes. I'm not out for blood. I don't do this for a living. If it's someone I don't like or don't know and I have a solid lead on them. I'm going to lock up that money. In earlier days, I would have gotten greedy and allowed the opponent to up the bet. I thought, I can't lose, why not win more money more quickly? Well, then I get taken. This made me a mark for some roadie to come in and take my cash. I've learned not to get greedy.

There's my 2 cents.

03-05-2003, 12:45 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Kato:</font><hr> I don't gamble and I'm honest about it. I at one point had a problem with gambling and I made a choice. It was the right one. Am I a nit? I don't think so because I'm up front about it. I don't make excuses and the answer is the same for everyone. I don't gamble.

Kato <hr /></blockquote>

kato,

i've got to say i've got more respect for your position than anything else i've read on the subject. know yourself and be honest about it.

a lot of this woofing about nits, not all of it, seems to be a way to get guppies in the shark tank. no matter what anybody says, you always have the right to accept or refuse any proposition any time. maybe, just maybe, you're smart enough to figure when you're being fattened. does it make you a nit when you manage to rob the guy who was trying to rob you before he did? maybe so. maybe so.

dan

Kato
03-05-2003, 12:54 PM
Thanks Dan.

Kato

John in NH
03-06-2003, 09:04 AM
Hi Wally,

I don't gamble, does that make me a nit?
I was in a pool hall in Florida yesterday playing 9-ball when I was challenged by a youngster, after I won 10 games in a row he said that he had to leave, a short time later another youngster came over to challenge me and I proceeded to win 20 in a row, while we were playing an older person came in to observe the last two racks and said that I must be looking for Gary for action, when I told him that I would play Gary but I don't gamble, the older gent gave me the most puzzled look that I had ever seen.

I'm constantly amazed at people who associate good pool with the need to gamble, it seems that I'm always defending myself in that regard.

I don't play pool for money because I enjoy the game for what it is just a game, If I wan't a challenge I'll enter a tournament (plenty here in Florida), good competition and a chance to meet other people from all walks of life.

I don't gamble at casinos, I don't buy sweepstakes tickets either, I'll never win a million and I'll never lose my rent money, just common sense.

Your thinking what a boring life I must have, well I've got a wonderful wife, kids, had a great job (retired) love pool and golf, what else is there.

Regards,

John

Wally_in_Cincy
03-06-2003, 09:21 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote John in NH:</font><hr> Hi Wally,

I don't gamble, does that make me a nit?
I was in a pool hall in Florida yesterday playing 9-ball when I was challenged by a youngster, after I won 10 games in a row he said that he had to leave, a short time later another youngster came over to challenge me and I proceeded to win 20 in a row, while we were playing an older person came in to observe the last two racks and said that I must be looking for Gary for action, when I told him that I would play Gary but I don't gamble, the older gent gave me the most puzzled look that I had ever seen.

I'm constantly amazed at people who associate good pool with the need to gamble, it seems that I'm always defending myself in that regard.

I don't play pool for money because I enjoy the game for what it is just a game, If I wan't a challenge I'll enter a tournament (plenty here in Florida), good competition and a chance to meet other people from all walks of life.

I don't gamble at casinos, I don't buy sweepstakes tickets either, I'll never win a million and I'll never lose my rent money, just common sense.

Your thinking what a boring life I must have, well I've got a wonderful wife, kids, had a great job (retired) love pool and golf, what else is there.

Regards,

John


<hr /></blockquote>

John,

I agree with you 100%. I hope you did not interpret my post as advocating gambling /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.

If a person has the wherewithall to gamble, by all means go ahead, but personally I think it's kinda stupid.

I know of a guy (I only met him once, he's a friend of a friend) who told his wife and kids he was driving to Philadelphia to visit a friend. He drove to West Va. and jumped off that big freakin' bridge over the New River Gorge. After the funeral his wife found out that he had gambled away all their money, their retirement, their house was in foreclosure, and she was $50,000 in debt.

Wally~~only gambles twice a year at the casino, $100 max

bluewolf
03-06-2003, 09:45 AM
I used to think that gambling was real stupid and was real rigid and judgmental about this. I do not feel this way anymore but do hate to see people ruin themselves over any addiction whether it be gambling, better living through chemistry or anything else.My father used to go to vegas and decide ahead of time how much he was going to spend. When that was gone he did not go one cent over. So for him, it was a form of entertainment and he also used the same philosophy whether playing slots, blackjack, betting on horses or on the superbowl. So I guess I have gotten that way too and I would not bet any money that I did not have to spend.

Laura

Sid_Vicious
03-06-2003, 10:01 AM
As I check to see if my lottery ticket hit, I'll reply to this thread. I gamble small, and with people I enjoy "the hunt" with. Gambling adds to the interest, especially in 9-ball. I won't say like many do, that you can't get better without gambling, but I will say that I do believe that those who put sumpthin' on the line intermittently DO exceed the skills and success more quickly and solidly under future pressure situations of those who NEVER bet a nickel. My advice is to play cheap with someone you would have no problems giving your money to if you lost, and if they are much, much better than you...flavor it up with a spot for yourself as an incentive to your buddy to bear down. That way both of you inherit the desire level without raping either one or the other. The cost of a mental pool lesson can be as cheap as quarter or ten bucks, but bet sumthin'! It makes a difference(IMO)...sid

eg8r
03-06-2003, 01:06 PM
LOL, I am sure you know that I was kidding. Scott is coming here next month and I will be taking a lesson from him.

Send me a PM when you come through and I will gladly come up and play. I am live about 10 minutes away so I can be there in a jiffy. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

Rod
03-06-2003, 01:59 PM
Your a nit! lol JK Wally lots of people don't gamble and I respect that. Like Voodoo says were all nits to some degree. Personally I think it applies to anyone that plays whether the gamble or not. I've seen games with no money involved with someone trying in some form to have an advantage.

03-06-2003, 05:39 PM
Sid, I agree with every word you said sir, there are some people who have a family, a job that does not pay a lot, and they just cant gamble away half of the rent. Covering the table time now to practice is all they can handle. They can play for the time, or a beer, any incentive, no matter now small, helps creative that drive to win &amp; does make you a better player. Just don't fall for the Hustler who makes fun of you &amp; begins to call you one buck a pop Fred or sometin like that, it's just a hustle to embarrass you to lure you into a trap. There is one simple way to avoid them, it's a word, it is simple to say, it is.....NO. FastLarry

Gayle in MD
03-06-2003, 10:11 PM
Hi Dan,
I agree with you. Kato deserves a lot of credit. It's hard to stop doing something, when it is connected to something you love to do, the way gambling is to pool. It's really kind of like being a pool shooter, and giving up cigarettes.

As for me, just shooting pool is pleasure enough, the gambling part is the part that I think has put the smudge on the game, but folks who really enjoy gambling, are always going to gamble when they shoot.

But, when I hear people say that gambling improves the learning curve somehow, and makes you a better player, I can't buy that. I would think that just being a person who is determined to win, would be enough.

Congrats to Kato!

Gayle in Md., proud of my friend Kato!

03-06-2003, 10:15 PM
Totally agree, John. I play pretty strong, and have had the good fortune to have nice cues with which to play, so naturally the pool hall crowd assumes I gamble, and if not, I must be a nit. Some have even put it to me in that context. One of the reasons I've been able to afford nice cues is because I usually DON'T gamble. Most of the really good money players I've been around have little to show for their efforts. I have nothing against gambling (I prefer to say I play pool for money, as gambling implies the result is largely based on luck), but I resent that it seems a requirement.

Sounds like we have similar values. I have a good job (I really am a banker), and I work too hard for my money to risk very much of it on gambling. I also don't participate in the lottery, etc., as I prefer to think diligence, hard work, and doing the right things lead to my success in life. Hope you're getting in plenty of pool and golf in your retirement!

SPetty
03-07-2003, 01:45 PM
hahahaha - looks like ol' Sid's fishing for me here... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> As I check to see if my lottery ticket hit, I'll reply to this thread. I gamble small, and with people I enjoy "the hunt" with. Gambling adds to the interest, especially in 9-ball. I won't say like many do, that you can't get better without gambling, but I will say that I do believe that those who put sumpthin' on the line intermittently DO exceed the skills and success more quickly and solidly under future pressure situations of those who NEVER bet a nickel. My advice is to play cheap with someone you would have no problems giving your money to if you lost, and if they are much, much better than you...flavor it up with a spot for yourself as an incentive to your buddy to bear down. That way both of you inherit the desire level without raping either one or the other. The cost of a mental pool lesson can be as cheap as quarter or ten bucks, but bet sumthin'! It makes a difference(IMO)...sid <hr /></blockquote>