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Steve Lipsky
03-05-2003, 08:59 PM
Hey everyone. The WPBA seems to have a ton of changes in store, beginning with the current tournament in Mississippi.

No more inane double-byes (top 16) and single-byes (17-32). Everyone seems to be playing in the first round, although it's probably being seeded.

The Sardo is gone, as has been previously posted. Maybe we'll actually get to watch some exciting 9-ball for the first time in a long while on the WPBA.

I've been told that the breaks will be alternating, but this hasn't been confirmed.

Also, Samstown Casino in Mississippi should be applauded for its wonderful treatment of the players. They are all receiving fully-comped meals at the casino's expense. What a wonderful gesture!

Good luck to all the NY girls,
Steve

SpiderMan
03-05-2003, 11:50 PM
Is it at the Sam's Town in Tunica? Who's going to be there, and when?

SpiderMan

L.S. Dennis
03-06-2003, 12:51 AM
I also heard from a previous post that the Sardo would be gone, but why?

nAz
03-06-2003, 01:51 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote L.S. Dennis:</font><hr> I also heard from a previous post that the Sardo would be gone, but why? <hr /></blockquote>

I think they don't want to pay more money then they are now to the WPBA.

Vagabond
03-06-2003, 04:47 AM
Howdy folks,
I am going to Tunica.I am starting today and I will be there by tomorrow evening.
Sardo brothers are a nice bunch of christians.Cheers
Vagabond /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Rich R.
03-06-2003, 05:08 AM
Steve, do you know anything about the Brunswick rack that they are suppose to be using? It is not on their website. Is it anything other than a normal triangle?

Wally_in_Cincy
03-06-2003, 07:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Steve Lipsky:</font><hr>
The Sardo is gone, <hr /></blockquote>

Maybe now we'll get to see if Karen Corr can actually break LOL.

Sid_Vicious
03-06-2003, 09:46 AM
Allison came here with a similar break to Karen's at a time prior to the Sardo, and she intimidated the women pool world with win after win after win. I don't really think that Karen is held back in any way, but I was one of the few voices that was saying that in defense of Allison when the bulk of the pool players were saying "Allison is going to have to get a stronger break." Hell she was making whitie, controlling the CB and finishing in first place. Well DUH! Karen's going to manage ok...sid~~~persistently believes that power breaks are over rated

bluewolf
03-06-2003, 09:55 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> Allison came here with a similar break to Karen's at a time prior to the Sardo, and she intimidated the women pool world with win after win after win. I don't really think that Karen is held back in any way, but I was one of the few voices that was saying that in defense of Allison when the bulk of the pool players were saying "Allison is going to have to get a stronger break." Hell she was making whitie, controlling the CB and finishing in first place. Well DUH! Karen's going to manage ok...sid~~~persistently believes that power breaks are over rated <hr /></blockquote>

I do have a question about this. Does the sardo make your break bust up more balls? I was always comparing my break to men and was only looking at my 8 ball break. When I break in 9 ball with the triangle, the balls bust out and a ball drops at least 25% of the time. Now I am bragging here about my leftie one. I did my first leftie 9ball break today and a ball dropped. Anyway, if the balls bust up and sometimes drop, is that sortof okay for a woman pool player?

Laura

03-06-2003, 10:10 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> Steve, do you know anything about the Brunswick rack that they are suppose to be using? It is not on their website. Is it anything other than a normal triangle? <hr /></blockquote>

as you may recall, when the sardo rack was brought to the wpba, sardo sent a complimentary rack to each of the players so they could familiarize themselves with it. also included was a case suitable for storing and transporting the rack or housing a small family.

brunswick has (this is really true) done the same. it's a little complicated, being made from not one, not two but three separate and distinct highly evolved and scientifically designed pieces of oraganic material joined in a heavily engineered secret process.

the ladies have had about a month to get the hang of the new device.

by the sheerest of coincidences, the radical new design does facilitate the placing of the one ball on, of all places, the spot. the research division is attempting to determine if this can be permitted, under the rules. (quote: "we have rules??")

to my knowledge, brunswick failed to provide detailed step-by-step user instructions for the new devices as sardo did so there is expected to be a learning curve or breaking-in process.

dan

Sid_Vicious
03-06-2003, 10:10 AM
Where's the balls go in general? Is the one the ball sailing toward the side pocket and falling, and is the CB resting somewhere toward the center of the table? It it a solid hit on the head ball everytime? If either one or all is true, then I'd say it was perfectly fine and I'd add that you should stick with that break spot, varying your speed up and down when the conditions seem to want to change. The main thing I have to state though, is that TAKING OFF SPEED at the final stroke is better for consistency that throwing yourself wildly in an attacking fashion. How many time do you see lost CBs and buggered up shape with the CB after something falls with breaks like these? Lots! sid

bluewolf
03-06-2003, 10:57 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> Where's the balls go in general? Is the one the ball sailing toward the side pocket and falling, and is the CB resting somewhere toward the center of the table? It it a solid hit on the head ball everytime? If either one or all is true, then I'd say it was perfectly fine and I'd add that you should stick with that break spot, varying your speed up and down when the conditions seem to want to change. The main thing I have to state though, is that TAKING OFF SPEED at the final stroke is better for consistency that throwing yourself wildly in an attacking fashion. How many time do you see lost CBs and buggered up shape with the CB after something falls with breaks like these? Lots! sid <hr /></blockquote>

Sid,

I was taught to break without hitting very hard.Imagine lagging for the break. Now the speed at which it takes you to hit the cb 4 rails, that is twice the lag, is the break speed I can hit with without trying to hit hard. Scott Lee and Randy G emphasized the correct stroke. About a month ago, a really great op/9 ball player showed me a couple of tips but again not hitting hard and getting the cb (lowcb) to pull back a foot. I was able to bust em up before but with this new technique i could bust em up a little better and leave the cb in the middle. I still dont have great control over all the other balls, though. Now that would be something!!! To be so good you could leave all of the balls where you want and have a great shape after the break!!!

Thanks.

Laura

Rich R.
03-06-2003, 11:05 AM
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Too funny Dan.

But seriously, if nothing has changed, I did read somewhere that they were going to use a Brunswick rack and it had some fancy name to it. I don't remember what it was, but maybe some one can help me here. I am curious and would like to know if there is something special about the rack.

Did some mechanical genius come up with a rack to compete with Sardo, considering how many racks they have sold. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif Or is it a highly technical piece of equipment, as you have described. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

bluewolf
03-06-2003, 11:16 AM
Anybody seen a pic of this rack?

Why do they use one of these instead of the triangle? Is it easier to bust up the balls with the fancy gizmos?

Laura

Troy
03-06-2003, 11:38 AM
Well Dan, after reading your eloquent description, I now must re-think my concept of the Brunswick Rack. You see, I thought it might be constructed of some nice hardwood (maybe Oak) and securely glued at the three corners creating a triangle.

Geeeezzz..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Troy
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote houstondan:</font><hr>
brunswick has (this is really true) done the same. it's a little complicated, being made from not one, not two but three separate and distinct highly evolved and scientifically designed pieces of oraganic material joined in a heavily engineered secret process.
dan <hr /></blockquote>

Rod
03-06-2003, 12:08 PM
Rich,
I think it was called the Big Break rack or very similar. It's back in the archives some where. One thing for sure we'll know what it looks like after this week.

Rod

03-06-2003, 12:12 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Too funny Dan.

But seriously, if nothing has changed, I did read somewhere that they were going to use a Brunswick rack and it had some fancy name to it. I don't remember what it was, but maybe some one can help me here. I am curious and would like to know if there is something special about the rack.

Did some mechanical genius come up with a rack to compete with Sardo, considering how many racks they have sold. /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif Or is it a highly technical piece of equipment, as you have described. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>


the rack they sent out to the ladies of the wpba is a simple triangle.

dan...really. no kidding. honest.

Rich R.
03-06-2003, 12:51 PM
Thanks Dan.

This could be a step in the right direction for pool. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

03-06-2003, 04:16 PM
I wonder if this new Big Break rack differs at all from their standard Oak racks? You know, like the ones that come in the Centennial Kit? I don't know how you could improve on it and it still be a simple triangle rack...

David ~~~ loves his Brunswick oak racks

SPetty
03-07-2003, 12:09 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rod:</font><hr> I think it was called the Big Break rack or very similar. It's back in the archives some where. <hr /></blockquote>It is the Brunswick Big Break Rack. Here's the previous post:

http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=ccb&amp;Number=60132&amp;Forum=All _Forums&amp;Words=SPetty&amp;Match=Username&amp;Searchpage=1&amp;L imit=25&amp;Old=allposts&amp;Main=60132&amp;Search=true#Post60 132

Wally_in_Cincy
03-08-2003, 12:16 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sid_Vicious:</font><hr> Allison came here with a similar break to Karen's at a time prior to the Sardo, and she intimidated the women pool world with win after win after win. I don't really think that Karen is held back in any way, but I was one of the few voices that was saying that in defense of Allison when the bulk of the pool players were saying "Allison is going to have to get a stronger break." Hell she was making whitie, controlling the CB and finishing in first place. Well DUH! Karen's going to manage ok...sid~~~persistently believes that power breaks are over rated <hr /></blockquote>

from AZB:

"Shaw took control of this match right out of the gate as she jumped out to a 4-0 lead and never trailed. <font color="red">Corr seemed unable to adjust to the non-Sardo rack </font color> and the alternating break format made it difficult to string racks and catch up."

Told ya so /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Actually Sid, you are correct. Karen Corr will adjust and do just fine. She probably adjusted in her first loser's match.

Chris in NC
03-08-2003, 12:22 PM
The influx of some new board members (veteran players NOT among the top 16) has made some major changes in the tournament formats - largely to the advantage of the lesser skilled players. I applaud their decision to scrap the double byes and have all players playing in the first round - as it should be with a 64 player field. The alternate break format should also prevent the stronger player from gaining too much momentum, as should the return to normal wooden racks in which the one ball is now again racked on the foot spot. Got to go for now. - Chris in NC

Rod
03-08-2003, 01:16 PM
Wally,
The last few times I saw Karen play she not only dropped her elbow but used her whole arm to break. Of course it was a control break but that might be giving her problems trying to use more force. Just an obvservation cause her elbow never moves in her normal game. It's fairly common to see the elbow drop on a break, but not the whole arm move at the begining.

Rod