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03-21-2002, 12:23 PM
I trust it hasn't escaped everyone's attention that all of my tournaments have had 24 hour gambling action.That will be the case at my next event too although I won't allow money to be thrown all over the place.
Over the years I've taken a lot of heat for being a gambler. The BCA would rather assist European amateurs than American players and they won't even consider helping me with my 14.1 tournaments.Again I submit for everyone's perusal my last and standing offer to them: If they'll help me raise $20,000, which doesn't have to come from BCA coffers I'll personally raise another $30,000 and we can have a $50,000 added event.Under their auspices of course and if necessary with no gambling.I wanted to ink a 5 year deal so straight pool lovers could plan their vacations around a great tournament.
If I had to, for the good of the sport and especially 14.1 I'd apologize for being outspoken and a lowdown gambler, lo' these many years.As far as I'm concerned we could start over from scratch. But this is my final effort to smooth these ridiculous waters.I mean, what the hell? If I can't receive any help and I'm ( and others of my ilk) thought of as lowdown and part of the great pool unwashed-well-I may as well start my own trade show at the same time as the BCA and call in my European and Asian connections and I guess we'll have a good old fashioned industry war.I know I'm tired of their collective inept asses. Once again I'm truly sorry that it has to be me who disrupts the status quo. But, as usual it appears that nobody else is willing.
I offered to go to Colo. Spgs. at my own expense to discuss things-nothing doing.

Q-guy
03-21-2002, 12:58 PM
Just to play Devils advocate, what is in it for them as business people? Is there to be a return on the investment as well as to the people you plan to raise the other money from? I understand you motivation, you don't care if you lose money. but others are not so willing to risk money with nothing more then a promise they may break even. We know you are against anyone making any money as you have stated in regard to Mr. Hopkins. Also don't know what you are talking about in regard to open books. No one in business opens their books to the public. As long as all promisees are kept, beyond that it is no ones business what you made or what you lost.

03-21-2002, 01:12 PM
here's grady carrying on again.it is not his money to lose again.Maybe if he ran tournaments right he would not lose so much money.He claims he wants to make amends with the bca and cool the waters and then he insults them. HEY GRADY, GET A REAL LIFE. People on here are really geting sick and tired of your rantings about the BCA and Hopkins and Mike Zuglan and the Joss tour and everything else.I was always taught that if you could not say anything nice about anybody then you should just keep your BUG mouth shut. Why are you so against people making money. It is the american way. If i was the BCA i would not even acknowledge you were alive,which apparently they are doing. Hey Grady, why not tell everybody how you showed up at a tournament one day. either the lake george cue club or classic billiards in Rochester and had to borrow the entry fee from the room owner. Did you ever repay him???? For a man with so much talent and knowledge.. Why are you so broke so much?????
JAK

03-21-2002, 01:46 PM
Grady,

It's too bad that the BCA won't help you raise the money to put on a great Straight Pool event. I have attended many events that you have promoted and enjoyed each and everyone.

If they are not interested in helping you so be it. Use your other contacts and promote an event anyway. You don't necessarily need to make it a war, but you can show them how it's done.

Avoid creating enemies, and I believe that you would have more luck gaining support. I know that you mean well to the players, but really you are not helping yourself, the players or the game. Work together instead of against each other. Show the BCA that you can be a class promoter, maybe they'll jump in with the next one.

Good luck

03-21-2002, 02:02 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Grady Mathews:</font><hr> I trust it hasn't escaped everyone's attention that all of my tournaments have had 24 hour gambling action.

Besides a sometimes stiff unabashed attitude,has it ever occurred to you that this may possibly be your biggest deterent in not getting anywhere with anyone to consider anything?

03-21-2002, 02:14 PM
Grady, is there any particular reason that you must hold this tournament under the BCA name? If you are really confident that you can raise another $30,000, assuming the first $20,000 is guaranteed, why does the first twenty HAVE to come from the BCA? Are there no other potential sponsors?

To my mind, the only positive that comes from such an association is the ability to use the BCA name. Well, put simply, that name is not worth as much these days as it once was (at least among professional players). They hold a grand total of one pro tournament a year, albeit with separate men's and women's divisions.

Why don't you look elsewhere? Casinos are a good place to start. Just change the name of the event, from the BCA 14.1 Invitational to the 2002 Straight Pool Open.

Don't get hung up on the BCA. For whatever reason, they want nothing to do with you. Get over it, and get your $50,000-added tournament going. I guarantee it will be well-received regardless of whose banner is hanging over the tables.

- Steve Lipsky

03-21-2002, 02:52 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Steve_Lipsky:</font><hr> Grady, is there any particular reason that you must hold this tournament under the BCA name? If you are really confident that you can raise another $30,000, assuming the first $20,000 is guaranteed, why does the first twenty HAVE to come from the BCA? Are there no other potential sponsors?

To my mind, the only positive that comes from such an association is the ability to use the BCA name. Well, put simply, that name is not worth as much these days as it once was (at least among professional players). They hold a grand total of one pro tournament a year, albeit with separate men's and women's divisions.

Why don't you look elsewhere? Casinos are a good place to start. Just change the name of the event, from the BCA 14.1 Invitational to the 2002 Straight Pool Open.

Don't get hung up on the BCA. For whatever reason, they want nothing to do with you. Get over it, and get your $50,000-added tournament going. I guarantee it will be well-received regardless of whose banner is hanging over the tables.

- Steve Lipsky <hr></blockquote>

Hey Steve,

AMEN.

03-21-2002, 03:32 PM
Jak, you must be crazy. I never borrowed money from any northeastern room owner. I am going to have my 14.1 event. I just like to let people know what kind of group the BCA is.

03-21-2002, 06:26 PM
Hey Jak,
I was always taught that if you didn't have anything nice to say you should go sit next to my grandmother!! :-)

03-21-2002, 09:11 PM
Where do I start. The BCA owns the rights to the US Open Straight Pool name. The BCA does not have to show a profit, its a non-profit organization, the mfg. and distributors are supposed to spend the coffers $$ to promote the game, not always with a tangible return. The last US Open in NY lost money. If you want to ask the BCA for support you need to find out in advance when the next board of directors meeting is, then a few months "BEFORE" it happens talk to Gabriel Stephenson (Ducoffs secretary at the BCA) and get your line item on the agenda and be prepared to meet the board and show "Why" it would be in the best interests for the BCA to support the event with $$$. The key is you first need to get on the "BCA AGENDA" to logically propose why they need to be involved. Also, I think non-profit C-5 Corporations books "are" legally open to public viewing as far as I know. BF

cueball1950
03-21-2002, 09:59 PM
I have just 2 QUESTIONS Grady,,when are you having this straight pool tournament and are you going to let Mike Zuglan play in it seeing as how you do not like Mike or his tour and have bashed both on here in the past?

03-21-2002, 10:36 PM
Hey Grady - Your eloquent outspoken manner has been appreciated for years. I'd love to plan my vacation around a straight pool tournament.

Q-guy
03-21-2002, 10:45 PM
On the books part I was referring to Grady always saying his books are open. I don't see any reason he would have his books open. For the BCA. they may be nonprofit but they still need cash flow. Why would they give money to a promoter. Is this money a gift? They are not parting with any cash if they don't have to. If they have extra cash they would probably give themselves bonuses of some kind. I will tell you something interesting about nonprofit organizations. My sister in law does seminars around the country teaching people how to be nonprofit. You can set up a nonprofit organization of one if you want. For the most part these people are con men looking to learn a new con. She get 150 to 300 people to pay her around $2000 for a weekend seminar. She makes as much as a half million in one weekend seminar. After being around her I don't think much of anything claiming to be nonprofit.

Nostroke
03-21-2002, 11:58 PM
Grady- The tone of your post and the threat therein totally precludes any possibility of the BCA talking to you. You must know that or you are seriously afflicted.

Rich R.
03-22-2002, 07:36 AM
To add a little to your post Q-guy, I can't state specific information here, but I have first hand knowledge that there are a whole lot of people making a whole lot of money, under the banner of "non-profit". Rich R.~~~"non-profit" does not mean no money.

03-22-2002, 08:49 AM
Zuglan is a great player and a gentleman although we've had our differences and he is always welcome to play in anything I do.I want to speak more on this in a minute. Frankie Hernandez, Hopkins,Joyner aren't welcome at my tournaments.
I played in a small 14.1 event in Worchester, MA about 10 years ago.When I examined the prize money, to my amazement not only was there no added money, the room owner was charging $10 a match table time.Anyway in New England the small and medium sized events had a bad start, zero added money. It became a matter of semantics. Once again, added money is cash that's over and above the entry fees, period.
I have nothing against these ever more prevalent small tours except that they're not adding as much money as they advertise.I have even offered to show them how to raise quite a bit more prize money but my services, I guess aren't needed.
The invitationals need to cease, too. A lot of quality players have to sit at home, it seems whenever the prize money gets respectable.There's one excuse after another.

03-22-2002, 10:32 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Anonymous:</font><hr> &lt;snip&gt; Frankie Hernandez, Hopkins,Joyner aren't welcome at my tournaments. &lt;snip&gt;

The invitationals need to cease, too. A lot of quality players have to sit at home, it seems whenever the prize money gets respectable.There's one excuse after another. <hr></blockquote>

Uhm, Grady, if you exclude certain people from your tournaments, doesn't this give rise to the same problem? If the problem with invitationals is that only friends of the promoter are invited, is it any better to have an "open" tournament that excludes enemies of the promoter?

Regards,

Gideon

03-22-2002, 10:46 AM
Of course the flavor of my posts preclude the BCA from doing anything with me.They never have anyway and I'm almost 60 years old. Should I verbally pussyfoot around them til' I die?
I have lots of people that I don't like, especially some of the new guard of pool players who cheat and lie at every opportunity. They can come play in my events.But the three men I mentioned before that aren't welcome I despise.Every one of them cheated, stole and lied to me on many occasions and if I had to let them play I'd rather not even have the tournament.
I intend to have my event with 14.1, small pockets so it resembles a game of skill, Bank Pool, Eight Ball and One Pocket and amateur tournaments. I shall attempt to make it grow as best I can.

03-22-2002, 12:41 PM
so Grady, when is this straight pool tournament that you are having? is it open to anyone, except the gentlemen you mentioned, or just your friends like the previous post state. And i agree with the gentleman who stated,If you precluse these men from your tournament then sdoes that not make it an invitational? I was at the tournament i mentioned in my earlier post and the room owner stated,Grady shows up here for the tournament and i had to loan him the entry fe to get in. I swear on my mothers grave and all that i hold Holy that this conversation tok place. I just wish i could remembe if it was at the Lake George Cue Club or in Rochester At the straight pool tournament they had several years ago when Rempe came back to beat Sigel JAK

04-10-2002, 12:41 AM
I am going to NYC in a couple weeks. Where is there some good 9-ball action?

TomBrooklyn
04-10-2002, 04:09 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Grady Mathews:</font><hr> I trust it hasn't escaped everyone's attention that all of my tournaments have had 24 hour gambling action.<hr></blockquote>The word 'gambling' has so many negative connotations. I suggest you consider refering to wagering on the outcome of a game of skill as investing, or speculating.

Also, I suggest you unabashedly try to incorporate the means to make a profit of some reasonsable sum at your events. This will facilitate you being able to continue to have more events.

Without some renumeration, anyone other than independently wealthy philanthropists would be hard pressed to continue their activities over the long run; and I don't think anyone would begrudge you making a profit if they felt they got their moneys worth of entertainment and recreation.

04-10-2002, 09:22 PM
Grady I dont really know you except from seeing a video or two. But from what I know of you from here I personally think you lack very seriously in the areas of tact and moral character. I can see many reasons why the BCA would want no part of you or (from what I read here) your money LoSiNg tournaments.You are living proof (to me anyways) that just because you play good pool... does not mean you are a good player for pool.

Maybe if I knew you better I might not be so harsh.. but this is what I get from reading your posts.