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CarolNYC
04-01-2003, 01:13 PM
While watching the men pros at Valley Forge, I noticed quite a few of the audience members shouting out certain rude remarks to players if they missed a shot or got bad position on a ball-(I personally have never had the opportunity to sit and watch the men pros non-stop and enjoyed it immensely!)My question is, does this occur at men pro events often? Do these people realize that big money is at stake and this is not for fun?
At one point, I actually walked over to a woman and asked her to kindly"be quiet!"
I just found this "heckling" behavior very rude and disrespectful!Personally, I feel people like this should be escorted out of the arenas!
Carol:(

Steve Lipsky
04-01-2003, 01:39 PM
Hi Carol! The only time I have ever seen it is with Earl, and boy, it can get pretty ugly.

I don't know what came first in this situation (like the chicken or the egg) but people simply abuse Earl. They get him all fired up, he ends up screaming at the crowd, and it's like one big perpetual cycle.

Obviously, sometimes it's Earl first, then the crowd.

- Steve

jjinfla
04-01-2003, 01:57 PM
Hi Carol,
You have to remember it is almost baseball season and a lot of the people who watch the men play are also baseball fans and they haven't had anyone to heckle for several months so they take it out on the pool players. LOL But most of the players carry on a running conversation with the fans during the tournament. What kind of heckling are you talking about? I remember one heckler last year at the Patriot Cup that really broke up the players. George Sansouci. Jake

CarolNYC
04-01-2003, 03:12 PM
Hi Steve,
As a matter of fact, it was a hill-hill match with Rodney vs. Earl-although I've never actualy seen Earl mingle with the crowd(except at VF), his mingling was rather amusing and nice,but then there were some people who just laughed at him and BOY does he give them the 'look of death"! I felt bad!
You stay well,Steve,
Carol:)

CarolNYC
04-01-2003, 03:18 PM
Hey Jake,
This particular hill-hill match was with Rodney and Earl -as Earl is sitting waiting for his turn, this woman actually goes over to his table and asks him to stand up so she can take a picture-of course he said"this is really not the time"-then when he missed,she was like"I knew he was going to do that-and starts laughing"-the whole arena could hear her-thats when I asked her to "shoosh!"
I just believe the players should be given alot more respect and credit for their performances!
Have a great day!
Carol:)

9 Ball Girl
04-01-2003, 03:46 PM
Yeah, what's that all about? I thought that VF was full of pool players who knew better.

On Friday morning, I was sweating one of Tony's matches and someone he knew walked in while he was waiting for his turn and shook his hand. Then the guy continued on about some other guy who died and yada, yada, yada while he got up to shoot. I looked at Tony and shrugged and nonchalantly shook my head. But we both couldn't believe it afterwards. He won that match but still...

Michelle
04-01-2003, 04:59 PM
A lot of pro sports figures get heckled during games, but it's usually in a loud, crowded arena, and the players can't hear anything anyway.

Someone getting ready to take a shot in pool is similar to someone about to putt in golf. And the crowd should stay just as quiet as they do during a major golf tournament....who ever heard of someone yelling out "You suck!" as Lee Trevino was in backswing??

Nostroke
04-01-2003, 07:44 PM
It's only Earl Carol- almost every match-same thing- The crowd is fine and all is well-Earl is talking/complaining to anyone who will listen and eventually says something so out of line, it gets a response from someone in the crowd. (This is usually preceded by Earl Glaring at someone who he felt clapped or even growned at the wrong time.)

Once there is a response, it ususally gets ugly. Some people even think Earl does this on purpose to psych himself up. Hard to believe this could be, but its even harder to believe that Earl could make the same mistake, match after match after match. It takes all kinds I guess.

Vagabond
04-01-2003, 07:58 PM
Howdy Carol,
With the mens events,there will be lot of side betting going on.If u carefully look around u will find a bookie also.It is these side betters who make all that noise.By the way carol I am back in Mississippi.Cheers
Vagabond

04-01-2003, 10:29 PM
Michelle, Golf is not as pure as you may think. Back in the early 60's Arnold Palmer was king, and this fat kid came along & began to wipe him out, and the fans could not take it.

I saw a fan stomp his ball into a hole, and heard them yell miss it fat jack several times. The fans hated Nicklaus because he was too good, and people always have trouble handling real greatness when it comes along, they hated Hogan a generation earlier, for the same reasons.

Everyone loved Trevino, because he was the only one around who could take out fat jack any time he could show up sober.
Fan abuse on the competitors is a curse on any game. Next week I will be at Augusta National and if you act up, call a player a name, get a little rowdy, they handle it the way all sports should, they just throw you out the front door on Washington street & void your ticket, you are bared from coming back in for life. This is one sports event, that puts up with nothing. You behave like a gentleman or you are gone. Regards, Fast Larry

sneakypapi
04-01-2003, 11:58 PM
I was at the Valley Forge Tournament as well, I noticed that the audience for the most part was polite and quiet almost too quiet at times. Overall, it is good ediquette to be quiet during a shot, but in Valley Forge you have to remember that 2 tables of action where going on at the same time. Overall, there was a referee with a mic, so he could tell the crowd to keep it down when needed.

CarolNYC
04-02-2003, 02:23 AM
Hey Dave,
Your right about Earl-it seems he is such a perfectionist that ,God forbid,he gets out of line,he explodes!(I just think its heartbreaking!) OMG-but like I said, for the amount they're playing for, I think I;d be a little upset-ha ha ha-and he really does get the crowd going!:)
it was good to see you as always and I hope you had a nice trip home from CA!
See ya soon!
Carol

CarolNYC
04-02-2003, 02:30 AM
You gotta be kidding me-but knowing the gentlemen Tony is,im sure he handled it wonderfully:)
Carol

CarolNYC
04-02-2003, 02:41 AM
Hi Michelle,
Cheering and rooting people on is a great boost,but the dissing and booing is just uncalled for!
Sometimes I'd like to say"let me see you get up there in front of 100's of people and bring your best came to the table",ya know?
There was one very wonderful sportsmanlike conduct that I did notice between Archer and Rodney and they were on the hill when Archer extended out his hand to shake before they strated-now that was a first for me-thats sportsmanship-I like Archer-he;s definietly a gentlemen-Rodney too-
Oh I forgot,just before they started, this audience takes a FLASH photo of Rodney-Cm'on now-and then the cell phones-my goodness-certain rules must be enforced!
Have a nice day!
Carol:)

CarolNYC
04-02-2003, 02:46 AM
Well hello there Vagabond,
Do you mean to tell me I searched far and wide throughout San Diego for no reason and you were in Mississippi?I even walked the beaches with my cousin figuring you would be "Babe watching"
Anyway, missed you and hope to see you in Vegas!
Carol:)

CarolNYC
04-02-2003, 03:12 AM
Hi there,
Considering the amount of people in that arena, you are absolutely correct! And I'd just like to mention,did you see the match Stalev vs. Strickland? Is that gentlemen Stalev awesome? Talk about talent, this man was born with talent! Just awesome!
Carol:)

Rich R.
04-02-2003, 06:00 AM
Carol, it happens to Earl more than others. I think he brings some of it on himself and I also think it pumps him up.

For the most part the crowd at Valley Forge is very respectful of the players. However, because there are all of the league players there, and I hate to gereralize, there are a certain number who do not have clue about pool etiquett. They think they are watching a match at their local bar, where it is alright to talk loudly while some one is shooting. This is only a small group, but it can affect play.

NBC-BOB
04-02-2003, 08:35 AM
I've never attended any 9 ball tournaments, but have gone to lots of straight pool tournaments over the years and never seen that kind of behavior. I'm on your side! throw the bums out.

CarolNYC
04-03-2003, 04:17 AM
Your right Rich,
There were 1000's of people there,so those few are really nothing to complain about and at least 50-100 people came up to me to say what a wonderful time they were having and what a great expo it was, so thats a good thing!Also, I think it was pretty cool that with all the drinking ,the people were really having fun and thats a nice thing-like Woodstock!"3 days of fun and music and nothing but fun and music" only"3 days of pool and tournaments and nothing but pool and tournaments"ha ha ha ha ha-very cool!
And thanks for keeping me company when I was off-shift-same goes for Fred and Eric-you guys are the best and I hope Cathy had a good time in the pro-arena!
See ya soon!
love,
Carol~ready for 4 days next year?:):):):)

CarolNYC
04-03-2003, 04:25 AM
Hey there,
ha ha ha ha-I say they get ONE warning and only ONE warning-then kick'em to the curb!:)
Especially that cellphone thing-on the regional tours, if the cellphone rings,you lose that game-if it rings again,you lose the match-
And with all the different music that cell phone rings have these days, I couldnt help but laugh when one phone rang with the "Godfather Theme!" ha ha ha
Like my Cousin Vinny-"Oh my God, what a friggin nightmare!"
Take care!
Carol

Barbara
04-03-2003, 07:53 AM
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Especially that cellphone thing-on the regional tours, if the cellphone rings,you lose that game-if it rings again,you lose the match-
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What Carol is referring to is "The Gina Kim Cellphone Rule". (this happened before Gina became Mrs. Lipsky)

What happened was, Gina and I were playing a match in the NJ State 9-ball Champs when I was down shooting the 9 and her cell phone goes off just as I was pulling the trigger. After I sunk the nine, Gina was still on the phone and I was waiting for her to rack. This is when the room owner's wife and my tour co-coordinator come over and ask me if that bothered me. I told them that the only thing bothering me is that Gina had better get off that phone and rack!

We talked about it after the event and decided on the rule that you lose the game you're playing on first offense and you lose your match on your second offense.

Never had to call the ruling in the past three years.

Barbara~~~won that match, too... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wally_in_Cincy
04-03-2003, 08:32 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Barbara:</font><hr>
.........We talked about it after the event and decided on the rule that you lose the game you're playing on first offense and you lose your match on your second offense.

Never had to call the ruling in the past three years.

Barbara~~~won that match, too... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

I just had a terrible thought. If your phone rings in church do you go to hell? /ccboard/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

We'll have to ask that jesus guy who's been posting.

Wally~~needs to quit thinking

CarolNYC
04-03-2003, 09:11 AM
Well Wally, Unless they're talking to God, maybe they'll go to heaven!:)
Carol

04-03-2003, 01:12 PM
pool can learn so much by copying what golf does well. At the Masters tourney next week, you can have a nice time during the practice rounds, but once compeition begins, if you are caught on the grounds with a camera or a cell phone, it does not even have to ring, they throw you out of the place, void your ticket, and you are bared from the place for life. How is that for zero tolerance. You can control fans, just by bouncing out the door the first one who begins to act like a jerk, the rest of the crowd will get the message. Fast Larry

Michelle
04-03-2003, 03:47 PM
If someone takes a cell phone to church, they probably don't belong there anyway. I am, except for maybe a doctor, or someone with a deathly ill family member, who better have the phone set on vibrate, who in world would have such an emergency that they would need to leave church for it??

CarolNYC
04-04-2003, 04:56 AM
Oh,
Are we going to mention opponents cell phone rings? How about Virginia where Im down on the 9- score is 6-1 (me) and just as I shoot, her phone goes off-BOY, did I blast that nine ball in-then she catches an attitude with me when I explain her phone should've been turned off-but then again, I could have got up and regrouped, but I knew it was in the pocket-no doubt!:):):)
Carol