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PQQLK9
04-02-2003, 09:01 AM
The number of heart attack victims fell by almost 60 percent at one hospital six months after a smoke-free ordinance went into effect in the area, a study showed, reinforcing concerns about second-hand smoke.
Researchers looked at admissions at St. Peter's Community Hospital in Helena, Montana, where a smoke-free ordinance went into effect in June 2002 and was suspended in a legal challenge six months later. The hospital serves almost all of the cardiac patients in the area, with a population of about 66,000.

Medical charts for heart attack patients from within Helena were compared with those from outside the area. Researchers also compared records from the period of the smoke-free ordinance with records from more than four years before the ordinance went into affect.

During an average six-month period, the number of hospital admissions for heart attack from people living or working in smoke-free Helena was just under seven per month, but that number dropped to four during the six-month smoking ban, the study said.

The findings of the study were presented at the American College of Cardiology in Chicago.

Researchers said this is the first empirical evidence showing that smoke-free environments help prevent heart attacks.

"This work substantially raises the stakes in debates over enacting and protecting smoke-free ordinances," said Stanton Glantz, a director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of California in San Francisco.

Other studies have shown that the effects of secondhand smoke on cardiovascular function take place within minutes of exposure and are nearly as large as they are for smokers. The study was partly paid for by the National Cancer Institute.

04/01/03 16:43 ET

JPB
04-02-2003, 09:10 AM
I am neither a smoker (former though) or a statistician, but I can't think that this study means a whole lot. The time period is very short thus the sample size is tiny, and there is no mention of the standard deviation or accuracy of the study. The change in the number might be due only to the standard deviation or other factors. I want to know how many heart attacks there were among non-smokers in bars before and after the study. That number doesn't exist. Heart attacks among smokers are irrelevant because they chose to smoke. Non-smokers at home who don't frequent bars also tell us nothing. There may be more to it, but citing the study is not a great argument against public smoking. There are many better reasons and arguments.

Fran Crimi
04-02-2003, 09:23 AM
While we're outlawing stuff, maybe the gov't would consider outlawing lard. When I was in Mississippi a few weeks ago I couldn't believe the obesity problem down there. The other pool players noticed it too. The number of people that could barely make it from their car to the casino was astounding. You had to see the food they were serving at the buffet every day. The only thing healthy was the fruit salad, and nobody was touching it. EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING, was fried in lard. Fried chicken, fried catfish, grits cooked in bacon fat, potatoes smothered in lard, piles and piles of thick bacon, ham and hash at breakfast, and slabs of meat everywhere. Even the vegetables are cooked in bacon fat. I have no idea how these people live past 40.

I wonder what the heart attack statistics in this country would be if you exclude the south.

Fran

Wally_in_Cincy
04-02-2003, 09:39 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fran Crimi:</font><hr> ....EVERYTHING, was fried in lard. Fried chicken, fried catfish, grits cooked in bacon fat, potatoes smothered in lard, piles and piles of thick bacon, ham and hash at breakfast, and slabs of meat everywhere. Even the vegetables are cooked in bacon fat....<hr /></blockquote>

LMAO..that sounds like that old Hee-Haw bit.."Hey grampa, what's for supper?" /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Remember that old song....

"...and that's what i like about the South...." /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Fran,

You should know certain vegetables can be enjoyed best with copious amounts of bacon grease (although saltside or jowl bacon is cheaper):

green beans, shuck beans, collards, Mustard greens. polk, turnip greens, fried apples..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif you get the picture

Wally~~remembers eating Grandma Belle's fresh eggs swimming in lard with redeye gravy.

Paul_Mon
04-02-2003, 09:52 AM
Fran,
I’ll never forget the first time my wife and I took the kids to a buffet in Myrtle Beach SC. My son and I are trying everything we see and one dish is these little curly looking pieces of deep fried pork rind. Can you believe it!! We were eating them without even knowing what they were.

When we finally asked the waitress about them her comment was “Now you know why our men only live about 50 years”.

Paul Mon

Ward
04-02-2003, 10:00 AM
Fran

It not what you eat it's what eating you... There was a news story in the Ft. Worth paper recently about a guy in WI who is in the Guniess book for eating 19000 Big Mac's, the guy is 49 and 6ft 180 lbs... Nobody knows

Later ( I love fried Catfish and Okra)

Tom_In_Cincy
04-02-2003, 10:42 AM
Fran,
Gee, I use to live in Memphis, just up US51 from Tunica. Your buffet comments are nothing but mouth watering temptations for me..

I quit all fried foods 20+ years ago but I still remember how tasty they were.. Fried EVERYTHING in the south..

Hushpuppies, catfish, corn, turkey, chicken, potatos, all kinds of veggies.. eggs, bacon, grits, BUTTER and BACON grease.. AND PORK BBQ.. shoulder, ribs or whole hog..

Got to go to lunch and eat a nice salad.. see ya

Deeman
04-02-2003, 10:54 AM
Fran &amp; Tom,

You guys are making me hungry. I am now homsick for some rightous lard products. By the way, Tunica's buffets are just a warm-up, the real greasy stuff is cooked at home!

Elvis dies of an overdose of fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches...What a way to go. /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

PQQLK9
04-02-2003, 10:56 AM
As a transplanted Northerner (at least north of NC) I know what you mean about that tasty southern food. I wonder if 2nd hand burps are harmful like 2nd hand smoke /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I can't wait to come back to NYC and play some smoke-free pool. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Barbara
04-02-2003, 11:30 AM
Fran,

Lard is a saturated fat and should be limited in intake in one's diet. The myth here is that one gets fat from the intake of Lard. That's not true. You cannot get fat from dietary fat. You get fat from an excess of carbohydrates that, when don't get burned for energy, get stored as fat. So the carbohydrate-laden batter being deep-fried in lard is really the culprit here.

And the bad rep that deep fried foods get should be tempered with the reality that "badly" deep-fried foods will contain more oil than they should. Foods that are deep-fried correctly ( e.g. food done in small quantities at high temperatures) actually contain very little of the oil they're fried in. But the key phrase here is "correctly deep-fried". This is very difficult to achieve in restaurants and fast food places where they deep fry large quantities of food at a time. The temperature of the oil drops dramatically so the outside of the food cannot resist the absorption of oil.

But I am soooooo looking forward to playing in a smoke-free Corner Billiards this weekend!!

Barbara~~~knows more about food than pool... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Rod
04-02-2003, 12:38 PM
Fran,
So what your saying in a nutshell is their all lard a$$es! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

heater451
04-02-2003, 01:05 PM
Plus, there should be a study of whether "nicotine fit"-related murders increased for the same area, which should offset the health-risk factor. . . .


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04-02-2003, 01:09 PM
Hello Fran,
See my new web site, www.fastlarrypool.com (http://www.fastlarrypool.com), get my number, give me a call, I would like to talk to you about the upcoming BCA trade show in Vegas this July, Wonder Dog will be making an appearance, he is letting me tag along.
Best Wishes,
“Fast Larry” Guninger VENI, VEDI, VICI……

Fran Crimi
04-02-2003, 05:38 PM
My next door neighbor is from Tennessee and she used to say the secret to good Southern cooking is to fry the foods s-l-o-w-l-y. Ha! So I doubt there's any fast frying going on in the homes there.

That bacon fat sure makes those carbs tasty and it makes people want to eat more. Plus, their arteries are probably screaming for air, kind of like you when you're in a smoke filled room.

When I'm there in that casino, I'm forced to eat that food. I guess you could tell me to go somewhere else to eat because the casino has the right to serve whatever kind of food they want, even though it's dangerous to the health of it's customers.

Fran

Barbara
04-02-2003, 06:27 PM
Oh yeah Fran, I definitely agree that bacon fat makes carbs taste great!! I'll never forget the great hash browns I made in leftover bacon fat!!

And speaking of screamng for air, it's gonna be more enjoyable to be at Corner this weekend with NYC's new smoking ban in effect. Although, I really don't remember it being smoky last year until we were just about finished and the regulars were starting to take the tables.

Hope to see you this weekend!!

Barbara

Fran Crimi
04-02-2003, 07:28 PM
Sorry Barbara, it will be impossible for me to make it down there this weekend. Have a great time!

Fran

04-03-2003, 01:02 PM
As I live in the deep south, I have seen up close what eating foods cooked in grease does. Guys drop dead at 50, it’s just that simple. It kills you early. A couple of years ago, my cholestrol went to 250, and with diet &amp; lipitor, it is now down to 120, which is good. Everyone should be tested, and everyone should maintain a proper level to prevent a heart attack.

I ran into a young guy in his mid 20’s, we began talking about this, and he said he just went in and his test came back in the 900’s, I said good God man, you are dead, you just have not fell over yet. He explained how everything his momma cooked was in lard, she even made him lard sandwiches, and that one makes me gag.

My first two meals of the day are vegetarian, but I will eat some meat in my evening meal. To play great pool, you first need to learn how to eat &amp; control your diet, or you will end up looking like Minnesota Fats.

Smoking is also a bad thing for a player, you keep lighting up, puffing away, this becomes nothing but a distraction. I had reduced by breathing capacity by 50% from 30 years of smoking, and now that I have been clean for a decade, my lungs have repaired where I have 80% capacity now, but some damage was permanent.
When I began to see cigs are nothing but poison that was going to kill or damage my vital organs, I began to say why would I pay out good money to buy poison, is that not stupid? When I began to view it that way, it gave me the strength to get off of them &amp; beat the addiction. Smoking is not cool, you stink, your hair &amp; clothes &amp; your breath stinks, your 2nd hand smoke stinks, non smokers don’t want to be near you, so get smart, get off the cancer sticks, before they kill you.
“Fast Larry” Guninger

PQQLK9
04-03-2003, 02:36 PM
Amen Brother!

Fran Crimi
04-03-2003, 04:02 PM
Here's a real health hazard, for you...being around someone who's drunk. A drunk is capable of doing anything, and having to deal with their drunken behavior just because you happen to be in the same place as them is a real violation of your right to be safe. Maybe the government should outlaw getting drunk.

Fran

Ward
04-03-2003, 08:24 PM
Hey Folks

Why do the French somke more cig's and eat more fat than anyone in the world as a nationality and still have less heart problem then the good old USA... It is not what you eat but what is eating you. Probably those 40hr weeks that turn into 80 hrs.... The pressure of the never ending struggle to be the best...
Now that's a killer...

Later

Barbara
04-03-2003, 09:01 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Ward:</font><hr> Hey Folks

Why do the French somke more cig's and eat more fat than anyone in the world as a nationality and still have less heart problem then the good old USA... It is not what you eat but what is eating you. Probably those 40hr weeks that turn into 80 hrs.... The pressure of the never ending struggle to be the best...
Now that's a killer...

Later
<hr /></blockquote>

Or, it could be that the French are good runners.

Like from defending freedom.

And I'd like to say again, dietary fat in food does not make you fat. It is a dietary necessity to eat fat or your liver will not function properly.

Barbara~~~unfortunately knows more about food than pool... and would gladly trade intelligence facts... /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ward
04-04-2003, 07:04 AM
Barbara

You might have something there..LOL

Later

04-04-2003, 11:46 AM
Dear Fran, I don't like drunks either, but you asked why does the government ban booze or drunks, the answer is they did, it was called prohibition. It made Al Capone a American hero &amp; millionaire, also Joe Kennedy, who used his booze smuggling money to put his kid in the White House. This failed experiment proved American's want to drink, and they want to gamble, and the government now want's you to have your vices, they only want their cut, their piece of your action. So drink up, smoke up, go hit the lottery, George needs to buy some new million dollar cruize missles, he is running out of bombs. Fast Larry

04-04-2003, 12:00 PM
To: Barbara: Why do the French have less heart attacks than us, ask any doctor, they know, they are drunks, they drink a bottle of red wine every day, which keeps their blood thin.

I drink one glass of red wine with my dinner, and take a grape seed vitamin, plus 2 aspirins a day. Medical doctors now all agree, tetolers dont live as long as moderate drinkers, that drinking moderately is a very healthy thing to do.

My doctor tells me it is the stress killing us, not the booze, and he recommeds me to come home and belt down a double scotch. If I have a glass of wine for dinner, then sip a beer that evening, I am fully in line with what the medical community now all agrees is smart &amp; healthy and alcohol comsumption is now recommeded by them. I know this is a blow to you bible belters, but lighten up on this, Jesus also belted down a little wine with his meals, so that makes it OK. Moderate drinking is OK&lt; cool, getting drunk is bad, uncool, and stupid. Nobody has ever seen me drunk, a couple of times I had to crawl out the door on my hands &amp; knees, but Dean Martin used to say, as long as you are in motion &amp; not laying out flat on your back, you are not drunk.

A beer is like food, and beer &amp; wine, does a ton of healthy things for you, again don't argue with me on this, it is being published in newspapers world wide now for over 6 months. If you belt down a bottle of Vodka, or drink a 12 pack every night, or drink a full bottle of wine, then you are being unheathly, and you are killing your self off slowly. Moderation, in every thing you do, is the secret to life, finding middle ground.
Fast Larry

Fran Crimi
04-04-2003, 04:00 PM
Yep, I know about prohibition. I was referring to banning the act of getting drunk, not alcohol itself. Alcohol isn't a threat--it's the drunk who can't control him or herself.

Fran

04-04-2003, 04:36 PM
Nothing is worse than to be trying to do a trick shot show, or to be trying to teach somebody something, and up walks a drunk, and begins to slur his words and talk goofy. You try to be nice, but nice won't make this poor soul go away.

There is help, there are a number of fine Christian pool players in this game that are dedicating their lives to be there, just in case, one of these poor souls hits bottom, and does not know what to do. I am proud to call these fine people, my friends, who minister to those in need. I had all of them in my booth in Valley Forge, I gave them a brand new pool table for them to give away to promote their message. The main person to contact, if you are ever in need, or in strife, is Steve Lillis, this man stands in good with the Lord. Steve can help you, pray for you, and help you find a Christian pool playing minister close to you. Feel free to call him at telephone 973-728-5979.

jjinfla
04-04-2003, 04:39 PM
They have outlawed the drunk - from driving. And they still lock them up for creating a disturbance, just can't use the old "for safekeeping" catchall anymore. And you forgot all about country ham. Ever have any of that? Like eating pure salt. Tonight I had broiled flounder over rice and in a while I will have my "medicinal" bourbon. Yep, Larry is right the medical journals are now saying that a drink a night might actually be good for you. But the big problem with food is that everything is supersized and very cheap. I go to a restaurant and they feel compelled to put too much on my plate and not wanting to offend them I feel compelled to eat everything on my plate. And buffet's should be outlawed too! Jake~~~I'm getting hungry again.

04-04-2003, 08:15 PM
We hired Elvis's private pilot away to fly one of our corporate aircraft, and he told us he was on everything, &amp; he bite the bullet right after that. I heard he died from doing 9 different prescription drugs, while sitting on the can constipated, what a way to go is right.
Fast Larry Guninger www.fastlarrypool.com (http://www.fastlarrypool.com) VENI, VIDI, VICI.....

04-04-2003, 08:29 PM
The answer to getting too much food at a resturant is simple, I always over order, and I order a couple of appetizers, they are cheaper than main courses, and feature a load of food. I eat and when I barely begin to feel full, I stop. You must get past the embarrasment of asking the waiter for doggie boxes, he does not know you don't have a dog or not and they don't care, you un used food goes in the trash can. Last night I ate out in a nice Italian place, the food can be very heavy, and the two doggie boxes we walked out with, was both my wife's &amp; my lunch today when we warmed them up in the microwave.
Eat light, pack it home for tomorrow. Best Wishes, Fast Larry Guninger

preacherman
04-04-2003, 10:26 PM
Barbara,
I am building a list of smoke-free pool establishments.
If you know of any, please send me the name and address.

Here is what I have so far:
www.geocities.com/pool4christ/wholesomepool.html (http://www.geocities.com/pool4christ/wholesomepool.html)

Thanks,
Jim "preacherman" Mazzulla

CarolNYC
04-05-2003, 05:13 AM
Hey there pool Dawg,
For those interested, there is a number to call-1-866-NYquits who will send you a 6 month supply(monthly basis) of patches-it beats paying 30-70 for a box-
just thought I'd share!
Stay well!
Carol

CarolNYC
04-05-2003, 05:17 AM
Sorry Barb, We're ALL smoking on the nEWT tour only!ha ha
Carol~puff,puff,exhale,ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!