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bluewolf
04-06-2003, 06:21 PM
Assuming that my hand is not shaking LOL, the straight in is a good percentage shot for me, even the long ones.

The problem is about all I can do to get a little shape is draw the ball. I guess I am afraid if I use top left or top right I will miss the shot.

I am wondering if others have this problem too or if you are real experienced, how do you get shape off this shot;especially a long one where there is less margin for error.

Laura

dg-in-centralpa
04-06-2003, 06:38 PM
Laura, If I'm shooting a straight shot, say corner to corner, I will use just a slight bit of high english, bottom left to upper right corner I use high left and vice versa. Sometimes I use the wrong english and the cb will reverse and scratch. The best way is just to practice this several times a day. Good luck.

eg8r
04-06-2003, 08:20 PM
Hello Laura,

If the shot is absolutely straight in left or right english will not make a difference. This is my understanding though I could be wrong. I would say your best bet is to cheat the pocket a little to get some sort of angle.

eg8r

bigbro6060
04-06-2003, 08:24 PM
Agree on cheat the pocket, but that's easier on your tables than it is on our tables !

I would say basically, if you didn't mean to be straight, admit you stuffed up and limit the damage. Use just follow or draw and that may be a tougher next shot but oh well, "gotta be a shooter". /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Rod
04-06-2003, 11:05 PM
Laura,
Your best bet at your current level of play is follow or draw, no side english. Actually that holds true for most players. If the ball is closer you can shoot to either side of the pocket but I'd still stay away from any side english. I don't know what straight in your refering to so I can't tell you what I would do. Put it on the wei.

Rod

bluewolf
04-07-2003, 05:32 AM
Thanks Rod. Here ya go.

As far as my ability level goes (which someone mentioned), my sl ranking is an apa thing. My goal is the skills of a 4 by august regardless of my sl in apa's computer. Based on their formula, which I have in paw,anyway, I will get bumped to a sl3 automatically after I play the next two matches, even if I lost them. So I am looking at what differentiates a three from a four and one of the big things is shape.

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%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%Pi0U8
)END

OR

START(
%A]4P1%BL7P8%CJ5O4%DL7N1%EM7P1%FK6P1%GK6N8%HM7N8%IL7O 4%JK6M5
%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%Pi7U3
)END

Sorry if my balls do not look straight, but you can see what I mean.

Scott already taught me how to cheat the pocket on this one:

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%A[2G7%BL7P8%CJ5O4%DL7N1%EI8G0%FK6P1%GK6N8%HM6P3%IL7O 4%JK6M5
%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%P[5N8
)END

This is cheating the pocket on the one to get to the five

Laura

Rod
04-07-2003, 01:07 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote bluewolf:</font><hr> Thanks Rod. Here ya go.

As far as my ability level goes (which someone mentioned), my sl ranking is an apa thing. My goal is the skills of a 4 by august regardless of my sl in apa's computer. Based on their formula, which I have in paw,anyway, I will get bumped to a sl3 automatically after I play the next two matches, even if I lost them. So I am looking at what differentiates a three from a four and one of the big things is shape.

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%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%Pi0U8
)END

Assuming the shot is straight in it can be followed if you aim and hit the right side of the pocket, top only no side english. Draw can be used the aim would be center pocket. I'd shoot it either way but it's not a gimmie by any means. Your best bet is either play safe or stop the ball using the left side of the pocket then take the long cut or play safe if you choose. At your current level I think you'll win more games this way than trying to force a shot above your ability. Note I added a ball to play position on. START(
%AL7I5%BL7P8%CJ5O4%DL7N1%EM8P0%FK6P1%GK2N5%Hl6O9%I L7O4%JK6M5
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OR

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%A]4P1%BL7P8%CJ5O4%DL7N1%EM7P1%FK6P1%GK6N8%HM7N8%IL7O 4%JK6M5
%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%Pi7U3
)END

This shot is well worth practicing. If you want position on the three ball then it is a top english shot, no side english. It only needs a med slow stroke speed whether you follow or draw straight back for position on the 5. You can hit the pocket less than perfect and still get position.

START(
%A]4P1%BL7P8%CH1O4%DK8P4%El9O8%FK6P1%GK2O8%HK9Q0%IL7O 4%JL0P2
%KJ5P7%LJ9Q6%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ8P6%Pi7U3%UP8J6%V[6O2%Ye0T4%Z^4Q1
)END
Sorry if my balls do not look straight, but you can see what I mean.

Scott already taught me how to cheat the pocket on this one:

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%A[2G7%BL7P8%CJ5O4%DL7N1%EI8G0%FK6P1%GK6N8%HM6P3%IL7O 4%JK6M5
%KJ5P7%LJ5N2%MK6Q4%NJ5R0%OJ5M0%P[5N8
)END

Your last shot is just center or left center pocket with a little draw, heck you can just stop or slow roll the ball and have a good shot.

This is cheating the pocket on the one to get to the five

Laura

I call cheating the pocket hitting a very small amount rail into the pocket. Not to nit pick but I divide the pocket into thirds, center, left center or right center. I use a certain part of the pocket depending on where I want the c/b to travel. It's very common to do so but cheating the pocket can send you back to the chair.







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DSAPOLIS
04-07-2003, 03:20 PM
Laura,
try this practice shot:

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%[K5D0%\C2F7%]D0G7%^I4K3%eC0`9
)END

the idea is to use the english specified to achieve the position on the 9 ball. When you can get the desired shape with a fairly high percentage (8 out of 10 times), back up the cue ball about two inches, and repeat the shot as in this illustration:

START(
%AJ1K3%GB7\4%Ir8O4%PS2Q7%Uo6V7%VL8D0%WK2L3%XR6Q3%Y C5C6%ZI4J9
%[K5D0%\C2F7%]D0G7%^I4K3%eC0`9
)END

In teh above listed diagram,repeat the process, and continue to back the cue ball up. You can mark the spot for the 8 ball, and besure you set the shot up the same every time. You will be able to gage the table speed, and your grip should shift back on the cue as we increase the length of the shot. Eventually you will have this shot:

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%[K5D0%\C2F7%]D0G7%^I4K3%eC0`9
)END

This final shot is a shot that requires flawless stroke control and shooting accuracy.

Good luck

bluewolf
04-07-2003, 05:05 PM
Thanks and also to Rod for these drills. They will help me a lot in developing cb control. And thanks to a special friend, I have these neat little blank pool tables I can draw them on.

xoxoxo /ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Laura

wolfsburg2
04-07-2003, 07:08 PM
a couple of good points, i think were cheat the pocket a little when you can, and if it is a difficult shot, concentrate on making the ball and just getting the cue on the right side of the table for your next shot.