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bluewolf
04-09-2003, 06:39 AM
It is apa 8-ball ie, no jump sticks allowed, jumps using one's personal cue, however are allowed. You need to get to the 9ball. It is your only ball left except for the 8.

How would you play this:massee, 2 rail kick,illegal hit on their ball to get it out of your way or something else?

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Laura

ChrisW
04-09-2003, 06:53 AM
Maybe the one nine combo into the upper right but the solids are spread out pretty good to give out BIH. I don't see a good way to create a cluster of solids either.
If the cue ball fits between the one and two I think I would go one rail(end rail with right english). If the cue doesn't fit then I thnk I would try the two rail kick and hope that I hit the left side of the nine to send the cue ball to the top rail leaving the six as the best shot on solids.

Chris

nAz
04-09-2003, 07:06 AM
tough out! i dont know what i would do with that,maybe push the 1B between the 9B and the 4B try to freeze them together. if i was playing a weak player i may try the two rail kick shot.

Popcorn
04-09-2003, 07:10 AM
I set this up and tried it before posting and it worked pretty easy. You don't have a natural angle so you need a little reverse english to get to the nine ball but it will work. It is just a survival shot though. You still may not be the favorite to win the game.
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bluewolf
04-09-2003, 07:44 AM
I am not a very accomplished kicker but was very interested in what an advanced player would do.

I also am not very good as masse.

I know if I hit their ball they get bih, but I would at my level also consider trying to tie up their balls more so that they have to use their bih cleaning up the mess I gave them rather than using it as an advantage. At this level, I would want to knock their one into the other two balls they have close. Not sure where the cb would end up, just put it down here near the foot. This may not work against an advanced player but probably against a sl4 and maybe higher but not a seven definately or a good six.

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This is what I think a good player might do with this. Bih the three, come off at an angle near the six (maybe by going 3 rails like ww does?) , cheat in the six hard, coming off the rail to break up the cluster. Is this right? Scott was trying to show me some of this. I hope I sort of learned it /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Popcorn thanks for the lines. That gives me a kick shot to practice and also what is reverse eng. I know left right.



Laura

Popcorn
04-09-2003, 08:14 AM
Reverse is the opposite of running english. It makes the cue ball come off shorter, even back up. Here is an easy example of a simple reverse shot. See how it changes the natural angle.
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Pretty easy win in this 8 ball game if you know how.

cheesemouse
04-09-2003, 08:21 AM
Your screwed.....now is the time for a shuffling of the deck...I would get as many balls in motion as I could while making engine noises of a car going thru the gears and then laughing like a wild man......sorry in advance.....LOL..... /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif

bluewolf
04-09-2003, 09:35 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Popcorn:</font><hr> Reverse is the opposite of running english. It makes the cue ball come off shorter, even back up. Pretty easy win in this 8 ball game if you know how. <hr /></blockquote>

Kool. I have actually tried this with banks and sometimes they even drop but on banks I was told the cut was easier than ie oe. But on gradys tape on kicks he always uses eng so this is why I guess. I do ok on easy kicks but never thought of adding eng to widen or narrow the angle. Guess that is pretty dumb since I obviously thought of complicating banks that way.

This is so great. Thanks!!now I can get better at kicks!!

Laura

mickey2
04-09-2003, 10:09 AM
Maybe I would try to kick the 9, right hand side English. Medium-hard speed, if you miss you probably loos.
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I would not go for the intentional foul as blue wolf mentioned :START(
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This gives the other player several options.
One would be to pot the five into the middle with a safe.
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Or pot the five ball and open the cluster.
Also the two ball would be good to open the cluster with ball in hand.
If I got ball in hand on the solids I would open the cluster with the first shoot if I do not decide to go for another safety.
I would not pot the three in advance because this might be my next shoot. It's also much easier to break up this cluster with bih.

Just my opinion, /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Mickey2

TomBrooklyn
04-09-2003, 10:14 AM
Link to RSB site is missing. I didn't see the shot.

Rod
04-09-2003, 10:50 AM
Depends on who your playing. If your opponent is the same skill level play the one nine to put it in front of the pocket. They don't have to win from here. Sometimes you have to force the issue. This actually puts heat on them because your last ball is in front of the pocket if they miss. I'll bet you that a two or three thinks about missing, which is one reason why they miss. You might say Rod that doesn't look very smart. To which I reply you play your opponents balls from here and see how many times you run out or sell out. Keep in mind the pressure of league play and letting your friends down or yourself. LOL Think about that stuff sometimes when your playing an equal. At least your ball is in good position. BIH, it's your shot.

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If your playing a higher rated player, your basically screwed. LOL Yes you can hit the ball one or two rails or tie up balls. Problem is you'll never see the light of day after they have control of the table.

Rod

Popcorn
04-09-2003, 11:14 AM
When you play bank pool there are tricks that make some bank easier. With a cross bank, often you don't split the angle. You hit about the same place on the rail even from different angles to make the bank. See example
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All three shots are made hitting almost the same place on the rail using a combination of speed and reverse english. It is one of the reasons you see bank pool players hit the balls so hard, they want to manipulate the angle the ball comes off at. It is just something interesting, it doesn't mean that is the right way to bank, just what some players do.

cycopath
04-09-2003, 02:49 PM
On a low ranked player (up to a weak SL4) I'd try to pocket the 9ball with the intentional foul combo Laura listed. If it's a stronger player (strong SL4 to SL7) I'd try the reverse english kick, for contact.
Either way I'd probably lose, so what difference does it make.

smfsrca
04-09-2003, 03:01 PM
Against a good player being in this position is loss of game.
The real question should be, how did I get into this position in the first place. What could I have done different earlier in the game to have avoided this disaster.

bluewolf
04-09-2003, 03:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rod:</font><hr> Depends on who your playing. If your opponent is the same skill level play the one nine to put it in front of the pocket. They don't have to win from here. Sometimes you have to force the issue. This actually puts heat on them because your last ball is in front of the pocket if they miss. I'll bet you that a two or three thinks about missing, which is one reason why they miss.

Rod <hr /></blockquote>

Maybe this is why I have won my last 6 out of 8 matches. The pressure is not getting to me anymore. In a match, nothing exists except the table, the balls, the shots and to an extremely small degree, the opponent.I am really super focussed. The people around me and whatever they are saying does not exist. I find myself often making shots which are usually low percentage. My only factor is fatigue, which happened the night I was playing the sl4 at 1am. I was soooo tired, I blew one game. Then was able to come back. When I do take a low percentage shot, though, I either have a safe in my back pocket or have gaged the skills of the player that they cannot run out. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Laura

Sid_Vicious
04-09-2003, 04:02 PM
You got my shot with this one:

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Of course there'll need to be some flavor of right english applied to the CB for the slight reverse back for the 9...sid

Jimmy Mendoza
04-09-2003, 04:28 PM
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Well, you're kind of sliding the cue ball a little to the left to get it behind the two ball. You're playing the 9, but also playing safe on the 1 ball. The 1 ball will follow the path that I show here. Play the shot soft enough that the 1 ball doesn't come so far up that your opponent isn't hooked behind the 2 ball if you miss the 9.

Jimmy Mendoza
04-09-2003, 04:30 PM
Oh boy. I just realized you're playing 8 ball. In that case, stick a fork in you ... you're done.

snipershot
04-09-2003, 05:18 PM
I would have to go with Sid on this one, although you stated your not very good at kick shots the one Sid posted appears to be the easiest way to get to it, a bit of right english and you got it. I'm gonna have to go set it up just for fun and see how it works out.

Snipershot

Rod
04-09-2003, 05:31 PM
Laura,
So how did you do with that 5 ball run out or however many? My point was it's a different approach possibly they expect you to tie up balls. You find out they are limited and may sell out with an open table. You can judge how well other 3's run balls and leaving your ball near the pocket puts a kink in things. So what if they run three balls, they may play safe or like I said sell out.
Maybe you've done similar in your judgement just giving you another measure. If you do shoot that set up a few times you'll see your strong and or weak points. Strategy is how you run those balls so you don't have to make real tough shots. Looks like the one, five, four, two then leave either the 5 or 6 for the 8. Well try it if you like, it is a real game situation.

Rod

Rod
04-09-2003, 05:36 PM
Well as long as were going for flyers shoot the two rail into the 9 for the same corner. It's an easier shot, just remember you have one try. LOL No overs in a league 8 ball game.

Sid_Vicious
04-09-2003, 05:44 PM
I would mildly disagree that the 2 rail is easier, besides the 9 needs to go downtable hopefully to fall but at least drift into blocking shape for that corner pocket. The angle off of the 2nd rail looks tricky for that effect(imo.) oh well, I could be wrong...sid

Rod
04-09-2003, 06:12 PM
Well as long as it's mildly it's ok. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif I left all rails out because it was Laura's shot. You can't play what you have little or no knowledge of and have any confidence. Even a good player will be lucky to make it first try. On a two rail it's a matter of hitting the 4th diamond or just a tad inside the side pocket. The 9 ball just gets in the way. It looks to be center ball or a fraction of right. I think it's a sure hit and lucky if you make it. I'd shoot that if I had to. How's the elbow?

Rod

Rod

bluewolf
04-09-2003, 07:05 PM
Thanks Rod. It is good to see what expereinced players can do with a hard shot and also from a beginners perspective what would be the best plan.

Lots of great idea.

Laura

Tom_In_Cincy
04-09-2003, 07:11 PM
Rod,
Do you mean this? WEI Table link (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

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It was my first thought.. but I tend to over complicate these kinds of situations.

Sid_Vicious
04-09-2003, 07:18 PM
You are right, didn't mean to "mildly" confront you ;-) Actually I realize that the proficient players(I don't include me) know the lanes in those multi-rail kicks down to a tee and smacking the 9 would be automatic...I know the mentor of mine is expected to be dam surprising in hitting that shot very, very good.

As long as I armchair quarterback, the elbow is no problem, in fact I make everything. Seriously, I'm on the anti-inflamitory stuff and realize it will take a while, so I'm babying the injury and can see a little improvement overall. The cue is staying in two pieces for a while, even though I'll probably sneak some off hand stuff in here at the house, time to sit and watch everyone else. You won't believe that I passed up a blanket offered spot in 9-ball to the house Monday night of call 7 and 8...even off hand this is something nobody who gambles would let slip by,,,the guy ain't superman....sid~~~Barbara said no, so I couldn't ;-)

Rod
04-09-2003, 07:35 PM
Tom,
Yes it's what I would shoot as I go down in flames! lol Heck you never know, it could be worst.

Rod