04-16-2003, 07:05 AM

Loving the game as we all do what one thing would you do for the game of pool to help put it on the map if you won tax free $100 million dollars?

04-16-2003, 07:25 AM
Quite simply? I'd open a very nice members only room and have large challenge matches once per month. The combatants would give lessons to my patrons 2 times daily and would play against them for charity. 2 times per year I'd have big tournaments (like the Sands).

I'd also host a couple of Ladies Spirit Tour events as well as a Southeastern Tour event and/or Florida Tour event (if it ever comes back and then I'd host 4).

There is a severe shortage of big time action in South Florida. I'd like to make it worth while for large name pros to come here and get into action. But, cut me up once and the game stops.


04-16-2003, 07:45 AM
I would do something to consolidate men's professional pool. Most likely buy out the UPA, WPA and whatever other alphabet soup organizations are out there trying to be the solution. I'd use that consolidation to sell the game to the networks as a one-stop shop for men's pool.

I'd want to work with promoters to do what Fast Larry was talking about - making a pool tournament much more than just the tournament. Each stop on the pro tour should be an event, not a tournament.

There should be supporting tournaments, such as a Pro-Am scotch doubles with celebs, an artistic event, local tour involvement such as the Joss NE tour, and a trade show at each tournament.

It should be a media-friendly event as well, with press conferences for the top finishers of the day, autograph sessions with the pros, a big kickoff party with a meet & greet for all the participants, and a closing party with award presentations to all winners of each event.

I'd try to arrange an event every two weeks, concentrating on weeks where television coverage is more likely, avoiding big-event weekends such as Super Bowl, Indy 500 or World Series, for a season starting in the fall and ending in leate spring.

I'd also hire a decent spin doctor - er PR firm - to help smooth the road and avoid large, messy situations like the one that created the UPA.

The situation in men's pool is disappointing and needs help. $100 million would be a lot of help /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

04-16-2003, 09:04 AM

Well obviously sponsor a men's tour. Make it so the top 25 or 50 could actually make a decent living and not have to dump matches and sleep in their cars and stuff. Then buy time on ESPN, same time each week and maybe even have live finals. I think the Mosconi Cup could be popular here too if promoted correctly.

And then do the same thing for the WPBA. And have a ladies Mosconi Cup (Balukas Cup? /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif )

Heck Barry Hearn makes money at this, why couldn't we do it here.

04-16-2003, 09:24 AM
I see where a mexican-american business man is possible going to buy the Anaheim Angels for $180M. It says he has $940M, maybe he would lobby some support. Maybe if we all put in $10 into a pot...damn we'd still be a few hundred million short.

04-16-2003, 09:45 AM
To me pool is the greatest game ever invented, but I think most of us on this forum feel that way.The game alway's had a bad image, even before tv and silent movies were invented.
So in my opinion,pool will never become the great sport,unless the image of the game gets changed.How does the image get changed, is the big question.You have to start from the ground up!Leagues at schools and rooms where they can play and feel safe and parents not being worried about the smoky environment and harmful effects for there children.Proper ad campaigns and advertising to change the image.The networks and cable channels are only interested in making money and all we have to do is look at all the rotten reality shows on the air.You change the image and get some big advertising dollars and the networks would have pool on the air all the time, because that's all they care about.I alway's thought that getting the game into the Olympics, would be great for the game,but I really haven't followed that and don't have enough knowledge to comment on the subject.Well I guess I went off the deep end and got away from the original question, and my answer is you need more then a $100 million.

04-16-2003, 10:27 AM
I somehow look at this from a different perspective. Many of you know (or probably did not know) but I was in the sports entertainment genre (professional wrestling biz). In that genre of entertainment, there was a war between Vince McMahon and Ted Turner. Ted Turner had all of the money needed to furnish the public with a quality product, but no knowledge on how to effectively manage it. I was there in WCW (Ted Turner)when it it all went to crap, and to quote one of my colleagues "They were having trouble making coffee at that point" which is a very accurate assessment. More money in the pot made a lot of people lazy, and look at the trouble Aol/Time Warner is having these days. I'm glad I'm out of there. In the end, McMahon (from a family that has been in the business for most of the century) won out because he knew what to do, when to do it, and for whom. I've made this point before, McMahon won because he marketed his product correctly and aggressively. He hires people to sit in the stands and measure the crowd reaction. He knows his market.

Money is good to a point, but it can also water down the aggressiveness. Pool has to learn how to grow with it's target market. We meet every year at the Trade shows, exchange smiles and handshakes with each other, and then we walk out the door hell bent on stabbing each other in the back. I believe 100 million would make that worse. $100,000,000 means we have 100,000,000 ways it could be spent. We are having trouble at this level, I could just imagine if we suddenly "came into money". It would be like an old rerun of "Dallas". My opinion might seem a little pessimistic, but I believe we would appreciate the 100 Million more if we earned it through our own hard work. I've been through the "limitless expense" accounts while working for Turner, and believe me, if it is not appreciated, it gets abused by just about everybody.

04-16-2003, 12:53 PM
My Dream:

A three-tiered league system set up similar to european soccer. You have Tier A, Tier B and everyone else. Tier A would be a 32 player league, based on some current ranking system (BD, UPA, AZB etc.) and would play a 10-20 event regular season with solid guaranteed money every event. With $100M to play with you could have gauranteed payouts of $100-250K per event. Maintain a points system throughout the year. Top four (or eight) would gain entry to a one day season-ending playoff for a huge payday - say $1M.

Tier B would be the 33rd through 64th ranked players and have a similar set up, with lower payouts. Think Busch series racing compared to NASCAR. Their events could be at the same site and combiined with trick shot exhibitions, teaching clinics, pro-ams etc. make up your "happening" atmosphere for the week(end).

Tier C would be comprised of regional qualifers, overseen by an existing organization (BCA, APA, TAP, VNEA etc.).

The cool part would be that the bottom 4 ranked players from Tier A and Tier B get dropped every year and replaced by the top 4 from the next lowest tier. This makes all matches throughout the year mean something.

I believe that a format like this can catch the attention of the public and in turn lure big time corporate investment as well as TV coverage. Just think about a pool match every other week with all your favorite players vying for big bucks.

So, with some big time seed money planted correctly we could reap some big time recognition on down the road.

MM...big time daydreamer. /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

04-16-2003, 03:03 PM
I'd have to say bring back some 14-1 events. Bring back a little class, have the players at least wear a sports jacket, nice dress pants and shoes. No sloppy attire or you won't play. Any bursts of ungentelman like emotions gets you a ticket out the door. Same applies for the spectators, except they need only be dressed clean and casual and no T shirts, halter tops etc. Don't like it then don't come. If you don't come to support the event then there won't be any more. That's my extent and as I know some pool players and spectators it's lkely to be a one timer. Then I'm done waisting my time, heck I'll just enjoy my money and support something else where people appreciate what you have done.

BTW there would be advertising leading up to the event. Speaking of which a TV station that actually cares LOL about covering A major Pool tournament, interviews etc not actual play in the beginning. An autograph session where the pro's actually sign limited items and not be paid. There is a lot more but that's the basic plan.


04-16-2003, 03:23 PM
There would be a huge new high class poolhall/sportsbar/restuarant on the map of Parsons, Ks. It would be big enough and nice enough to host major tournaments. Nice poolhalls are pretty sparse in this area. It wouldn't change the world scene, but it would sure change the local scene. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

04-16-2003, 05:47 PM
It would take alot more time to decide than what I'm gonna spend here but this would be my basic plan:

Let's start by building a nice classy pool hall that could accomadate lot's of players. I would start a youth development program at this hall where I would pay instructors good money to spend quality time with young kids teaching them how to play and enjoy the game. How about buying T.V. time and holding my own tournament completely live and setting it up to show people that pool can have a positive image not just what they read in the papers.

How about gathering up the best players in the world, and setting up a traveling tour that performs demos all over that are exciting and audience appealing. These are just a few ideas that I could think of. I think we would have to start with the youngsters, with many of todays tournaments being held in casinos or where minors aren't allowed the opportunity to see how great this game can really be. Just a few ideas that might be the solution.

04-16-2003, 06:13 PM
I doubt that it would really "put it on the map", but I think I would hold a tournament for kids, and make the prizes be educational scholarships. Or, there could be multiple tourneys--some for college money, and others for tech/vocational schools and the like (I figure there may be some variety to the actual goals of the players).


Fred Agnir
04-17-2003, 07:03 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cheesemouse:</font><hr> THE BENEVOLENT LOVER OF POOL

Loving the game as we all do what one thing would you do for the game of pool to help put it on the map if you won tax free $100 million dollars?
<hr /></blockquote>I'd have a real pool-based movie made with a real director. I'd have a real producer as the front, with my millions in the background.

Fred &lt;~~~ thinks "McGoorty" would be a good title

04-20-2003, 05:07 AM
I would just like to comment on the misinformation I am currently seeing posted as fact here on CCB. I am constantly reading threads that are inundated with comments regarding "the negative image of pool" that has supposedly persisted for the last hundred years or so. I see posters constantly blaming pool's lack of success as a mainstream sport on this fictional "negative image". Its like hearing Robert Preston singing "We've got trouble, right here in River City. With a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for POOL."

Where exactly are you people drawing the information that you use to form these opinions?

Pool has been, and continues to be, consistently one of the largest sports in terms of number of participants in the United States for the last 100 years. The two biggest surges in the pool industry (the early 1960's and the late 1980's) were triggered by movies (The Hustler and The Color of Money) that romanticized the very ideas about the game that many of you think is its downfall.

I even read on this thread how someone would require a dress code including sport coats for players. This reminded me of a quote from Fats: "Putting a tuxedo on a pool player is like putting whipped cream on a hot dog."

I would say that I am as much a fanatic about this game as any CCB contributor, and as such I am as frustrated about pool's lack of mainstream success as much as anyone.

But these are the real factors contributing to pools lackluster success as a mainstream sport:

1. Poor management.
2. Poor marketing.

It's that simple folks. Let's not fool ourselves about this.

What does Golf, Tennis, Baseball, and even Bowling have that Pool does not? Answer: A strong governing body.

Marketing is perhaps a bigger problem than all other problems combined. Has anyone ever noticed who the major sponsors are of the major televised pool events? Olhausen, Viking, Rhino balls, etc. etc. Do you really think that Golf would have the astonishing purses it has if its only major sponsors were makers of Golf equipment? Even bowling had major sponsors outside of its industry (ACE Hardware and Firestone).

Poor marketing hurt the pool industry this year more than ever. Pool room owners and billiard industry leaders around the country were drooling awaiting the release of "Poolroom Junkies", a movie that would have triggered the third boon in the industry in the last half a century. But poor marketing rendered the project to "straight to video" status.

Until someone addresses these real problems within our sport we are doomed to the same lackluster success that we've had in the last 25 years.

04-20-2003, 11:31 AM
Pool has been, and continues to be, consistently one of the largest sports in terms of number of participants in the United States for the last 100 years. <hr /></blockquote>

While I agree with your over all evaluation of the situation in the pool world as far as coverage, image and popularity goes the above statement is one of those phoney statistics arrived at by possing the question that gives the desired result. Every girl who's date took her to a poolhall so he could play the big boy was counted; that same girl that probably hated the experience of being forced to look helpless in front of other people while trying to hit the silly little white ball with the stupid stick will answer the question "yes, I play pool". Be that as it may, the game is obviously played by lots of people both young and old but those same people could, as a large group, careless about the state of game at the professional level. Two years ago if I had won $100 million I would have dumped a hugh amount of dollars into the pro game, mens and womens, just to reward the top players who devote their lives to the game without much reward for that hard work but I have changed my mind. I have taken my own survey over the last two years of playing in tournaments......virtually zero of the participants in the events I played in knew anything about who's who in the game, they don't care who's who and they won't even take the trouble to stick around and watch the final matches of the tournament. I played in events with serious amonts of money added with seriously good pool being played to win these events and the same scene repeats itself; the final match is being played and except for a few die hard sweaters there is nobody there to watch.......I hate to admit it but it's not just the Pool Idustries fault it is also the people who play this games fault; the people who play this game only care about their game not other peoples game. I hate to be so pessimistic about a game I love but like Popeye says "I is what I is" and the game is what it is.

If I won the $100 million now I would selfishly party it away rather than pound it down the pool rat hole...there is one pool related thing I would do and that is give a big pile of money to Chris Cass and his wife.