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Sid_Vicious
05-18-2003, 09:58 AM
I'm about the worst kicker I know, I admit that, but I continue to see players pass up rail first shots like the one here. This isn't rocket science and yet it is a tool that I find many long term players passing up when down table position is seemingly impossible, except for a tremendous, creative draw stroke. Finding the aim point for the rail first in these instances came to me rather quickly,,,is that "just me" or does most everyone see this but has not gained enough confidence to execute this shot? It is a darned good weapon, and makes for a good safety play in certain 8-ball scenarios as well...sid

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Tom_In_Cincy
05-18-2003, 10:32 AM
Sid,

Another way to make this shot is to use high IE. like this..

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You don't have to power this shot and it usually takes the side pocket out of scratch possibilities.

Rail first is always an option and one often over looked.

Good point Sid..

bluewolf
05-18-2003, 10:37 AM
Thanks sid. I will remember this one.

Laura---> always glad to get another shape weapon

Rod
05-18-2003, 11:02 AM
Sid,
I shoot rail first shots quite often. Sometimes it is the simple way of playing position with less c/b speed. I see players pass this up but usually not good players. One problem with similar angles is the c/b can come into the third rail fairly short. When that happens of course the c/b will be way short to the 4th rail leaving a tough shot. It's important to know what to expect, some just don't know for sure.

Just for grins here is your diagram with a little interference. Which ball is in the way? Or are any in the way? Make an educated guess before you shoot. You have a home table, let me know.

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Rod

Popcorn
05-18-2003, 11:14 AM
I would say this is a more the angle the cue ball would take. The spin will take effect off the third rail bringing it down table.

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Popcorn
05-18-2003, 11:31 AM
That would by my choice also, but not with much forward power. I would let the cueball go kind of flat and take long off the third rail. I would use the cueball spin to get the ball around and not so much hard follow. To be honest, I am afraid of rail first shots. It would in most cases, be my last choice unless very easy. Even with the object ball close to the rail, it is easy to miss. Especially if you are hitting it with any speed and spin, they bobble the pocket a lot.

Rod
05-18-2003, 11:59 AM
That's my guess also. I wouldn't expect to hit any balls unless I hit the 8 bad.

HalSmith
05-18-2003, 07:30 PM
Tom, I agree with you high inside would seem tobe the wat to go it takes missing the shot out of the program and the shape is the same.---Smitty

Terry
05-19-2003, 06:34 AM
Hi Rod, I tried your shot and this is the way it worked for me
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As for what balls are in the way on your diagram, I wouldn't even try to put the cueball through there, my ability wouldn't let me /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif, Terry

Yuppie
05-19-2003, 08:38 AM
Wouldn't this work as well? I guess using draw is what you're trying to avoid though. But to have this shot in your repertoir won't hurt either.

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I do use rail first for positioning sometimes. But only when I know I'll cinch the ball.

Rod
05-19-2003, 09:15 AM
That's the idea Terry, the shot was to determine if any of the balls were in the way, which there not. That shot is going to have the tendacy to come up a little short. Once you know the appx c/b route then you can decide if you should play it in a game situation.
Rod