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sack316
05-31-2003, 02:08 AM
was shooting with a friend tonight and was on pretty good (playing 9 ball) but my break was struggling. I was spreading them well but the cue was out of control. Anyway, once I got on with shooting, just to have fun with him I broke one handed and it was perfect, cue stopped in the center of the table, dropped 3 balls, and ran out. Then I went to my normal break and it wasn't near as good. So off and on I'd switch up and my one handed breaks were quality breaks every single time. Anyone have any explanation for this because I am baffled? I have a big scotch doubles tourney starting tomorrow, so wish me luck and hope my break gets to normal cuz I'd hate to look like a showoff breaking one handed all day /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

ArtMetcalf
06-03-2003, 11:36 AM
When Blackjack was here last week, he spent a lot of time helping everybody with their break. He had me break using one hand. It was awkward, but it forced me to stay down on the break shot without all of the lunging and stuff I was doing before. My head bouncing and body lunging was much more noticable when I was breaking one handed. After a while, the only thing that moved was my shooting arm, and I was lots more accurate.

My break lacked power shooting this way, obviously. David conducted a one hour block just on body mechanics for the break! I never imagined that there was so much to it, and he assured me that he had only scratched the surface.

We broke down every movement and examined my break on videotape, and made the necessary adjustments. Since then, I have been seeing improvement in my break, and I can purty much consistently make a ball, control the one ball, and the cue ball. That wasn't happening 2 weeks ago.

The main problem I was having is what Blackjack calls "bouncing". My head and my entire body were bouncing forward in anticipation of the stroke, followed by flinching and tensing up. Trying to break one handed amplified this problem greatly. I didn't know I was doing that at all.

Also, I am 6'2 and tip the scales at almost 310. I had always thought that my size would help me in my break. David is half my size and breaks the balls phenomenally well, with power and control. At first I was embarrassed that a little guy like that could outpower me on the break. Then I learned that the key to the break is generating cue speed, while maintaining control of your stroke and body mechanics.

Also, I would never try breaking one handed in a tournament. If your like me, you'll probably hurt someone!

Rod
06-03-2003, 12:10 PM
One handed breaking gets rid of all the weird body movements that some people don't think they make. All your doing is swinging a weight. With one hand you can't do all that stuff or you'll miss hit the ball or miss it completely. Also your standing more upright which I believe creates a free swing through the ball.

With both hands you think you can add extra power because of bridge stability. While this might be true it is taken to an extreme and the stroke becomes rushed and jerky, with way to much grip pressure. Not only do you lose power but accuracy as well. Lighten your grip and slow down your break speed until you regain control. With a simple un-rushed movement you'll hit them just as well or better as you are with one hand.

Rod

eg8r
06-03-2003, 12:16 PM
Rod, I would also add, that when using 1 hand, you are much more focused on getting a good hit on the cb. When using 2 hands you tend to take that for granted.

You might have said that already. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

eg8r

eg8r
06-03-2003, 12:18 PM
Sounds like you had a great lesson. Good luck.

eg8r

Rod
06-03-2003, 12:35 PM
Yes I did indirectly. Very true all the same Ed. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

DSAPOLIS
06-03-2003, 01:05 PM
Glad to hear you are seeing results, Art. What Art failed to mention, was that he was also performing the "Semi-Hula" in his pre-shot routine (Art failed to mention his grass skirt, I don't know why he'd leave that out, it was the highlight of the weekend).

It is small adjustments in body mechanics, balance, and timing that can make a big difference. In our videotape analysis, we found several people that were standing completely erect before they had made any contact with the cue ball. Others had symptoms of flinching, and dropped elbows. We had leaping lizards, hula dancers, rail humpers, fertilizer chuckers, the list goes on and on. We also had Jeff, who was amazing to me. He struck out twice (miscued 7 times in a row) during his video analysis. He was trying to hit the cue ball so hard that he forgot to look at it. Many players are just like Jeff, taking their eye off the ball, tensing up, and STRIKE 3 - YOU'RE OUT!!!

I have used the one hand analysis as it exaggerates and amplifies the errant body movements. This will identify the to and fro motion of the body, or any side to side movement of the shooting arm, which will ultimately take the tip off the cue ball entirely, or just enough to effect the accuracy.

A large portion of Lessons in 9 Ball deals with the break shot and the proper mechanics required. I break the mechanics down, as well as proper alignment, and tips for maximizing power while maintaining accuracy. Art was impressed with my break shot, but it should be noted that the result I was getting was due to accuracy, not power. I have learned that to get maximum ball action, I need to hit the one ball in the right spot. Many players do not transfer the energy from the cue to the cue ball to the rack due to poor mechanics, resulting in an inaccurate stoke of the cue ball, which gets sent to the one ball at a million miles an hour.

I don't advise you breaking one handed. Slow down your break, and perform it in slow motion. This is what you are doing one handed (subconciously) and you are increasing your accuracy.

Fred Agnir
06-03-2003, 02:04 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote DSAPOLIS:</font><hr> , we found several people that were standing completely erect before they had made any contact with the cue ball <hr /></blockquote>That would be one hell of a problem, wouldn't it?

Fred &lt;~~~ semi-erect?

cycopath
06-03-2003, 02:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr>
Fred &lt;~~~ semi-erect? <hr /></blockquote>
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q4summit
06-03-2003, 04:04 PM
LMFAO

Marc