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Sparky
06-02-2003, 07:06 PM
Is billiards a sport or a game? I am curious!

Thanks,
"Sparky"

jjinfla
06-02-2003, 07:36 PM
How do you seperate them? A sport is a type of game. And a game can be a sport. Each is used to define the other. does it matter? Jake

Karatemom
06-02-2003, 07:38 PM
Sport: Physical activity engaged in for pleasure.

Game: Playing activity; or competition according to rules.

Billiards: Game of driving balls into one another or into pockets on a table.

This is according to Webster, LOL.

IMO, since it is considered a "game" and a "game" is considered an activity, then it is both! How's that for an answer, LOL.

Seriously, I would consider it a sport, just a sport that doesn't get as much attention as the others!

Heide

Sparky
06-02-2003, 07:43 PM
Good answer Heide! :-)

caedos
06-02-2003, 07:58 PM
This question has raised much debate over the years. After looking it up in the dictionary, they almost look the same to me. The only difference is that 'sport' implies physical activity by some definitions. The primary definition of 'sport' is that it is an active pastime or recreation. Those for sport will say billiards is physically active (I agree with this. Alignment, delivery, walking the table, surviving several hours of play per day at a tournament; these are all very physical). Those who see billiards as 'only' a game tend to opine that the game is not physical enough.

The world we live in... Sports!

Carl

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. " -- Groucho Marx

Tom_In_Cincy
06-02-2003, 08:17 PM
Sparky,

Do you remember the Miller Lite Beer commercials with all those RETIRED Professional Sports personalities?

(the following is remembered -admittitedly from a bad memory source- from long time ago) (some of what is remembered MAY be stretching facts, but the gist is what is remembered)

The reason that they had to be RETIRED, was that professional sports players were restricted by law to publically endorse alcohol. ONLY retired pros were allowed on those commercials. EXCEPT the PRO Pool Player that made the first commercial one that is most remembered. Pro Pool players were not considered 'sports' figures and were exempted.

So much for 'sports' versus 'game' status.

Regarless of the definition, Pool and Billiards are considered forms of competition. Just like Chess and Golf.

arn3
06-02-2003, 08:26 PM
. as well as other "game" stuff like backgammon, cards, and dice. all this from reputable, professional billiard equipment providers.

ceebee
06-02-2003, 08:27 PM
hmmm.... that's a hard question to answer. Football, Baseball & Basketball are all considered sports, but the activity is called a GAME. Pocket Billiards or Billiards is played with balls & it too is called a GAME.

Pocket Billiards or Billiards is certainly more true to the thought of Sport, than shooting a shotgun at birds, but then that activity is discussed in Sports Afield.

So who cares ?????

nAz
06-02-2003, 08:33 PM
In the sociological study of sport, there are a variety of definitions given to the term 'sport'. In the modern context, arguably the most widely utilised is the definition provided by Jay Coakley (an extremely eminent American sociologist of sport). He suggests that "Sports are institutionalized competitive activities that involve vigorous physical exertion or the use of relatively complex physical skills by individuals whose participation is motivated by a combination of personal enjoyment and external rewards" (Sport in Society, 6th Edition, 1998, p.19). In which case, Coakley would have to argue that pool is definitely a sport. I, on the other hand, disagree with only one aspect of Coakley's definition: that a sport need not involve 'physical exertion' so long as it does involve 'complex physical skills', and so therefore I would contend that pool is not a sport, but rather is a game!

Daniel Bloyce, Chester UK

One thing about pool, its one of the few "sports" that you can actually gain weight instead of loosing it.

nAz
06-02-2003, 08:35 PM
I think the real question should be is Twister a sport or a game? seriously! /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

cuechick
06-02-2003, 09:19 PM
I do not think this is difficult at all. Pool is a sport, no question. It involves the mastering of a physical skill in odrer to play the game. It involves training your body as well as your mind, the movements may be isolated but they are precise and include complex mechanics.
Or let me put it this way, you could have no arms or legs and be blind and still play chess or scrabble not so with our sport. That is the difference between a sport and a game.

Karatemom
06-02-2003, 09:31 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote nAz:</font><hr> I think the real question should be is Twister a sport or a game? seriously! /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif <hr /></blockquote>Definitely a sport. If you're not in good physical condition, you have no chance of winning that game!

Heide ~ been a long time since I've been able to play Twister, LOL. Now, I'd probably break something!

socrates
06-02-2003, 09:55 PM
I always equate a response to this question or similar questions to a scene from the movie Searching for Bobby Fischer.

What is chess?

Those who play it ocasionally or not at all dismiss it as a game. Many who devote their lives to it insist that its a science. It's neither. Bobby Fischer got underneath it all - and found - at its center - ART.

Pool - The Tao of the Spheres.

pooltchr
06-03-2003, 05:44 AM
I have to believe that the level of competition is the determining factor in this question. A bunch of neighborhood kids may get together for a sandlot "game" of baseball, but at a higher (and more organized) level it becomes a "sport". I can play a game of pool with the kids, and go out and play in a tournament where it becomes a sport. In today's environment, the terms are used interchangably. This question always comes up when the topic is whether or not billiards should be part of the Olympics. But even the Olympics are called the "Summer Games" or the "Winter Games". It seems to be a question of organization and competition.

#### leonard
06-03-2003, 06:24 AM
Tom I tried to convince a Barnes @Noble asst. manager that they would sell more pool books if they moved them into the section with the golf books after all golf nickname was "Pasture Pool". He wasn't buying that so I told him I wasn't buying the pool book. I have been know to cut off my nose to spite my face.Pool books are in the section with chess and checkers and poker/bridge books.####

pooldaddy9
06-03-2003, 06:38 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote #### leonard:</font><hr> Tom I tried to convince a Barnes @Noble asst. manager that they would sell more pool books if they moved them into the section with the golf books after all golf nickname was "Pasture Pool". He wasn't buying that so I told him I wasn't buying the pool book. I have been know to cut off my nose to spite my face.Pool books are in the section with chess and checkers and poker/bridge books.#### <hr /></blockquote>

Well no wonder I can't ever find any. thanks

bluewolf
06-03-2003, 06:42 AM
To me, a sport is an activity where there are enough physical elements that the person can be injured playing it and/or they will not do well when in less than stellar physical shape.

A game is one in which the person is not injured unless they get boinged on the head by another angry gamer and the only element of stamina is mental.

To me, pool is a sport because a person can get injuries such as an elbow injury not unlike the 'tennis elbow', and lack of physical shape and physical stamina will have a negative impact on their game, especially if they have to play several matches in a tournament.

Laura

snipershot
06-03-2003, 07:24 AM
I have to agree, I always have considered pool to be a sport (although I often refer to it as a game /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif)
I just think it is more mental than physical unlike other sports that are more physical than mental. It does require physical stamina as well or else as we all know one's game can go downhill very quickly.

Good topic, always good for a debate.

9 Ball Girl
06-03-2003, 08:13 AM
In my oppinion, it is definitely a sport. I too think that pool is what the 2 people who are playing make it to be. For instance, if I'm playing with my 9 year old nephew, then it's a game. But when I'm playing with my peers, then it's a sport. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Nightstalker
06-03-2003, 09:21 AM
If it is for fun, it's just a silly game. If it is for money or some other competitive reward, then it is a sport. My 2c. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

#### leonard
06-03-2003, 09:27 AM
I am not posting this to offend but I have posted this before. If you play nineball you will never experience the high that one gets when you run 100s. I have said given the choice of making love to a beautiful women or running 200 I would take the 200. It is a tremendous rush. That is why all straight pool champions would prefer to practice alone.####

Nightstalker
06-03-2003, 09:37 AM
Everyone is entitles to their opinion, no offense taken. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rich R.
06-03-2003, 09:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Nightstalker:</font><hr> Everyone is entitles to their opinion, no offense taken. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>
Nightstalker, I think you are way too young to understand what #### is saying here. The age of straight pool (14-1) was long gone, before you were a twinkle in your father's eye. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Straight pool is Art. Nine-ball is finger painting. JMHO.

Well said ####. Tap, Tap, Tap.

Fred Agnir
06-03-2003, 09:56 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Sparky:</font><hr> Is billiards a sport or a game? I am curious!

Thanks,
"Sparky" <hr /></blockquote>I don't think anyone's ever asked this question... this month. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I really don't think there's any question. It's both. If there was a dictionary definition that somehow disqualifies pool as a sport, then pool fanatics would be fighting to get the definition changed. But, as it stands, every dictionary definition of the word "sport" fits pool without question.

I think when people ask this question, they are really asking, "can pool be classified as an athletic activity?" or something like that.

Fred &lt;~~~ can get pretty athletic at this activity

Aboo
06-03-2003, 10:09 AM
That is an EXCELLENT way to look at it socrates. Very well put. It is defined differently, depending on how it's played and who it is played by. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The re-play of Efren in the 2002 Internationals last night, that was Art.

highsea
06-03-2003, 10:21 AM
A sport. When I am stretched out over the table trying a shot that I can't reach, I always come up gasping for air. So for me pool is like swimming. LOL

Seriously, I would tend to agree that it depends upon what level it is played. If I am out at the bar with friends just knocking them around, it is more of a game, akin to darts.

Leagues and tournaments are closer to sport. They call it "cuesports", right?

CM &lt;~~can't hold my breath that long /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Nightstalker
06-03-2003, 01:52 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Rich R.:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Nightstalker:</font><hr> Everyone is entitles to their opinion, no offense taken. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif <hr /></blockquote>
Nightstalker, I think you are way too young to understand what #### is saying here. The age of straight pool (14-1) was long gone, before you were a twinkle in your father's eye. /ccboard/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Straight pool is Art. Nine-ball is finger painting. JMHO.

Well said ####. Tap, Tap, Tap. <hr /></blockquote>
I know what he is saying, what gave you the idea that I did not? Nine ball is popular because it is fast and good for TV, I never said it was my preference. When I was born also has nothing to do with my understanding of the history of the game, thank you very much. You old men need to get it more or take more viagra or something. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Deeman
06-03-2003, 02:06 PM
<hr /></blockquote>
You old men need to get it more or take more viagra or something. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Nightstalker,

I resemble that remark! If I take any more Viagra, I may not be able to play pool! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Dee

Nightstalker
06-03-2003, 02:09 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Deeman:</font><hr> <hr /></blockquote>
You old men need to get it more or take more viagra or something. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <hr /></blockquote>

Nightstalker,

I resemble that remark! If I take any more Viagra, I may not be able to play pool! /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Dee <hr /></blockquote>
LMAO, Dee maybe it is time to slow down on the viagra and re-arrange some priorities? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif Pool has to be more important than the other more strenuous activity at some point in a man's life....... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Qtec
06-03-2003, 02:15 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Straight pool is Art. Nine-ball is finger painting <hr /></blockquote> You have got it the wrong way round. In my humble opinion,14/1 is a mind numbingly boring game.This is obviously a comment from someone who cant play 9B /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif.

Deeman
06-03-2003, 02:25 PM
<hr /></blockquote> Nightstalker
LMAO, Dee maybe it is time to slow down on the viagra and re-arrange some priorities? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif Pool has to be more important than the other more strenuous activity at some point in a man's life....... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif <hr /></blockquote>


Hey, Man. When you're 51 years old and married to a 25 year old little Yankee, Catholic Blond from Michigan, you will take all the chemicals you can get. I actually don't use it yet but have arranged to lay in a good supply if the needed ever arises, or something else won't.

As far as pool and priorities, as long as you can't really do both well at the same time, I'll make room for the pool.
/ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Dee

Nightstalker
06-03-2003, 03:03 PM
Deeman, you have a great sense of humor. I love your posts. I know what you are saying. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tom_In_Cincy
06-03-2003, 04:02 PM
[ QUOTE ]
You have got it the wrong way round. In my humble opinion,14/1 is a mind numbingly boring game.This is obviously a comment from someone who cant play 9B . <hr /></blockquote>

"Checkers has always out sold Chess"

The more you know about any subject, the less boring it is.

I agree with Rich.

Been playing all pool games for a long time, 14.1, Snooker, 9 ball, 8 ball, One Pocket and 9 ball Banks.

14.1 and One Pocket are my favorites. Nothing boring about either to me.

Scott Lee
06-03-2003, 11:19 PM
Amen, old buddy! I love ALL games!

Scott

pooltchr
06-04-2003, 06:09 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> &lt;/font&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;font class="small"&gt;Quote:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;
Straight pool is Art. Nine-ball is finger painting <hr /></blockquote> You have got it the wrong way round. In my humble opinion,14/1 is a mind numbingly boring game.This is obviously a comment from someone who cant play 9B /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif. <hr /></blockquote>

I've seen many 9-ball players that couldn't run a half of one rack in straight pool, but never seen a straight pool player that couldn't hold their own in 9-ball.

NEMO
06-09-2003, 10:41 PM
My brother once said, "It's not a sport if a waitress can bring you a beer while you are shooting."

NEMO-whatever you call it, I enjoy pocketing balls.

Hopster
06-09-2003, 11:00 PM
People think its not a sport because its not strenous or played outdoors.
How about after you just busted some guy out of his last $50 in a bar and he trys to break your face ?? Thats not strenous physical activity ??
How bout after youve cleaned a guy out and him and his boys are waiting for you out in the parking lot and you got to run your ass out of there, thats not competitive and strenous and physical ??
Definetly a sport fellas, definetly. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

tateuts
06-09-2003, 11:27 PM
I'll settle this once and for all from an unbiased source.

Online TV guide has pool listed under the category of...

Sport - Other

There you have it. We are grouped with such activities as lawn bowling, cricket, and female mud wrestling. Rewarding, isn't it?

pooltchr
06-10-2003, 06:11 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote tateuts:</font><hr>

We are grouped with such activities as ...female mud wrestling. Rewarding, isn't it?



<hr /></blockquote>

Just one more reason to love this sport! This is giving me an idea for a new format for 9-ball tournaments!

RedHell
06-10-2003, 01:09 PM
This is a very good question, and by reading the answers that were posted, I realised something.

In my definition, pool can't be just a game. Here's why...

Game: activity that follows a set of rule.
Sport: Game played that requires physical abilities.

Now I admit that pool/billiard isn't the most cardio or strenght oriented sport but, here's why I say it can't be just a game.

Take any game and ask yourself, could I tell someone what to do and get the same result ?

Example: card games, anyone could hold the cards, pick and discard, if I instruct them what to do, the result should be the same. Chess, I could decide of the moves and let someone else move the pieces, It wouldn't affect the outcome.

But, in pool, I couldn't tell someone to play the next shot one quarter of a ball to the left of the OB with medium stroke and inside buttom english expecting the same result.

That to me make it a sport as opposed to a game !

Fred Agnir
06-10-2003, 01:20 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote RedHell:</font><hr> Take any game and ask yourself, could I tell someone what to do and get the same result ?<hr /></blockquote>This is also the same reason why I don't consider pool "mostly mental." You can only get similar results if the person you're telling can physically execute the shots.

Fred &lt;~~~ know pool is at least 50% physical

Jimmy Mendoza
06-10-2003, 04:13 PM
Then golf must not be a sport either because a waitress (cart girl, in most cases) can bring you a beer while you're playing.

HiPockets
06-10-2003, 05:37 PM
great reply tom in cincy...best answer i have seen to this question that comes up about once every full moon...hipockets

RedHell
06-11-2003, 07:44 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Fred Agnir:</font><hr> This is also the same reason why I don't consider pool "mostly mental." You can only get similar results if the person you're telling can physically execute the shots.

Fred &lt;~~~ know pool is at least 50% physical <hr /></blockquote>

I read this debate in RSB and didn't get my 2 cents in, because you can't really put a percentage of physical vs mental. Tho I understand both point, the first being like you said, ie. physical because you can't get someone else to make the shot for you. And the second being that you can't make a shot (or play well) if your mind isn't into it.

I guess we would have to find a way to get these 2 factors in. Maybe the physical part is more important in the learning process, but once you have learned to make the shots, the mental part grows and become more important.

Let say a beginner is in 80% Physical 20 % mental while the pro gets to 20% physical and 80% mental ?!?!? /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Red

06-13-2003, 01:17 PM
Many great answers and interesting ones. Ilike the one that says both. Is football a sport or a game? The question is immaterial. It really asks, is pool MORE a sport or a game. As to anyone that compares straight pool to 9 ball, I venture they are not a very accomplished player. Straight pool simply rewards control more exclusively, while 9 ball rewards decision making as well as accuracy more.