Irish
07-03-2003, 01:42 PM
On that BCA post it seems people are saying that the APA is a softer league then the BCA in calibre of opponents. I am from Canada so I dont have a chance of playing in a APA league or winning a trip to Vegas to play in the big APA event and see what level the people are. I always assumed that the APA would have similar level players in it due to the size of the tournament and the money being decent.
For the APA is the singles event in Vegas handicapped? For the APA are handicaps used in the teams events as well during Vegas? If either one of those are true I am not missing much it seems with no APA up here. If those are the case then it is no wonder the better players would avoid the APA and play in the VNEA and BCA instead. If there are handicaps used in either the teams or singles competition then I take it there is only one huge division and no Open/Masters divisions?
I have always wondered about the SL 1-7 ratings you all talk about and someone saying they are a SL-2, SL-4, or SL-7 is all Greek to me. If the BCA is truely made up of much stronger competition on the average then what level would a APA player want to be in order to compete in the Open singles event in Vegas. Does it take a SL-7 to have a chance of winning the BCA singles open event? Are there even people like Brian Groce (who won the BCA masters event this year) playing in the APA. I would imagine he is well above the minimum for being a SL-7, or is a Scott Toleffson, Brian Groce, Tyler Edey, level of player what it takes to get a SL-7 rating as a minimum.
With all the talk of SL ratings I am sure you all know to a reasonable extent how good each other are as long as you have had APA experience since a large majority of you are from the States. I on the other hand dont have a clue how good any of you play no matter what you say your SL-rating is. I always wonder when a person says they are SL-7 just how good that really makes them and now with hearing the BCA is tougher cometition I wonder if those SL-7's are not exactly dominant players that can run alot of racks (1 in 4 or so off the break).
Here in Calgary the competition is quite tough. We have alot of players that go down into the BCA and VNEA events and do very well. 2002 we had the 1st 2nd and 3rd place teams in the masters event in the VNEA all from Calgary. Here though we have no SL ratings. We dont really rank our players but everyone knows everyone and how good each other shoot. Our leagues have levels such as Masters, Open A, Open B, Rec. The lines are blurred abit of course but the top master for the year usually has between 30-35 ERO's out of 100-120 games with the average master around 20. The top Open A player will get 20 ERO's and the average A player will be at 10 or so. The top B player might get 10 ERO's with the average around 3 or 4. The top rec player might have 5-10 ERO's (depending on who sandbagged to get there) with the average likely under 1 ERO due to alot of weak players.
In 100 games how many ERO's would the average SL-1 get, how about the SL-2, SL-3,....... to SL-7. Could a person who only get about 10 ERO's per 100 games be a SL-7, or does it take better play then that and that person would be a SL-5 or 6?
Someone break it down please. I have seen people say "well it really depends, some people play safe better then others and therefore dont have to ERO as much to be a SL-7" At the top level of 8-ball ERO's are the key to winning. Alternate break in the BCA masters race to 9 a person would be at 5-7 ERO's off their own break when playing well, there is no way you can beat a person playing at that level without ERO'ing them back and keeping them off the table on your break.
For the APA is the singles event in Vegas handicapped? For the APA are handicaps used in the teams events as well during Vegas? If either one of those are true I am not missing much it seems with no APA up here. If those are the case then it is no wonder the better players would avoid the APA and play in the VNEA and BCA instead. If there are handicaps used in either the teams or singles competition then I take it there is only one huge division and no Open/Masters divisions?
I have always wondered about the SL 1-7 ratings you all talk about and someone saying they are a SL-2, SL-4, or SL-7 is all Greek to me. If the BCA is truely made up of much stronger competition on the average then what level would a APA player want to be in order to compete in the Open singles event in Vegas. Does it take a SL-7 to have a chance of winning the BCA singles open event? Are there even people like Brian Groce (who won the BCA masters event this year) playing in the APA. I would imagine he is well above the minimum for being a SL-7, or is a Scott Toleffson, Brian Groce, Tyler Edey, level of player what it takes to get a SL-7 rating as a minimum.
With all the talk of SL ratings I am sure you all know to a reasonable extent how good each other are as long as you have had APA experience since a large majority of you are from the States. I on the other hand dont have a clue how good any of you play no matter what you say your SL-rating is. I always wonder when a person says they are SL-7 just how good that really makes them and now with hearing the BCA is tougher cometition I wonder if those SL-7's are not exactly dominant players that can run alot of racks (1 in 4 or so off the break).
Here in Calgary the competition is quite tough. We have alot of players that go down into the BCA and VNEA events and do very well. 2002 we had the 1st 2nd and 3rd place teams in the masters event in the VNEA all from Calgary. Here though we have no SL ratings. We dont really rank our players but everyone knows everyone and how good each other shoot. Our leagues have levels such as Masters, Open A, Open B, Rec. The lines are blurred abit of course but the top master for the year usually has between 30-35 ERO's out of 100-120 games with the average master around 20. The top Open A player will get 20 ERO's and the average A player will be at 10 or so. The top B player might get 10 ERO's with the average around 3 or 4. The top rec player might have 5-10 ERO's (depending on who sandbagged to get there) with the average likely under 1 ERO due to alot of weak players.
In 100 games how many ERO's would the average SL-1 get, how about the SL-2, SL-3,....... to SL-7. Could a person who only get about 10 ERO's per 100 games be a SL-7, or does it take better play then that and that person would be a SL-5 or 6?
Someone break it down please. I have seen people say "well it really depends, some people play safe better then others and therefore dont have to ERO as much to be a SL-7" At the top level of 8-ball ERO's are the key to winning. Alternate break in the BCA masters race to 9 a person would be at 5-7 ERO's off their own break when playing well, there is no way you can beat a person playing at that level without ERO'ing them back and keeping them off the table on your break.