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07-07-2003, 09:24 AM
We've all been in those situations when either we or our opponent thought we had the other in a seemingly safe situation... only to have them (or preferably us) suddenly see through the maze and vizualize that game winning shot.

I was playing a casual match of 9-ball this past weekend and this interesting shot came up. At first I thought my only option was to play safe but as I looked at the layout it came to strongly reminded me of a type of move I most enjoy using when playing chess. I don't expect it'll take long for the level of players here to visualize the shot but I'm curious how many will also recognize the similar chess move. I would enjoy hearing about any other memorable "eureka" type shots players here have spotted when hope seemed dim and then played to snatch victory from a possible defeat. ...Bob

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Steve Lipsky
07-07-2003, 09:42 AM
Hi Bob. Did you play the old carom-kick-combination-clearance shot? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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You didn't see that shot immediately? What's wrong with you?? /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If you pulled that off in a match, you are my new hero.

- Steve

bolo
07-07-2003, 09:44 AM
I do see a shot, to hit the one and break up the cluster. Then go cross table with the cueball and now kick in the nine ball combo into the side pocket. Is that what you did?

RedHell
07-07-2003, 09:45 AM
That's the shot I saw, I just didn't think there was enough arrows to wei that /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Plus as I don't play Chess I could say if that's what he was on about !

Rich R.
07-07-2003, 09:55 AM
I know Steve probably has the correct solution /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif, playing the 5 ball, off the 3, may be another alternative.

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Leviathan
07-07-2003, 10:06 AM
Well, if the alignment of the 6 and 8 is just right, you could play the CB carom from the 1 to the 9, driving the 8 to the cushion and back across to the side pocket. (But I think the 6 would throw the 8 short if your illustration is accurate.) Moving the 1 out of the 8's path makes the shot a discovered check!--L

Rod
07-07-2003, 10:30 AM
Bob,
It's been years since a game of chess. LOL My thought is pocket the one off the 5. The c/b caroms off the 7 and ends up as shown. The two and other balls block a shot on the one should it not go. It appears the 5 will hit the three so there could be some traffic congestion there. Just a guess, these overhead views can be deceiving.

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Rod
07-07-2003, 10:54 AM
Humm,
It's to early in the morning to see those trick shots. LOL Bob, if you did that your my hero also. Nothing like opening up the table in one stroke, should you miss. /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Rod

CrispyFish
07-07-2003, 11:16 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Steve Lipsky:</font><hr> Hi Bob. Did you play the old carom-kick-combination-clearance shot? /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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You didn't see that shot immediately? What's wrong with you?? /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If you pulled that off in a match, you are my new hero.

- Steve <hr /></blockquote>
Wow, I didn't even see that -- maybe because it's CRAZY! /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I much prefer the carom off the 5, with the cue ball following down behind the 3. Decent chance of getting out if you make it, and safety if you miss.

That said, it would be very cool to see the clearance/kick shot IRL. /ccboard/images/graemlins/cool.gif

pooldaddy9
07-07-2003, 11:23 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Bob Perkins:</font><hr>
I would enjoy hearing about any other memorable "eureka" type shots players here have spotted when hope seemed dim and then played to snatch victory from a possible defeat. ...Bob


I had this shot in a match, race to 5 and we were hill hill. I jumped the one and kicked banked the 8, 3 rails in the side pocket.

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dmgwalsh
07-07-2003, 01:02 PM
i don't know how to work that software. What shot did you do? I was just thinking you caromed the cue off the one into the nine which then, with the help of the 6, went into the side.

07-07-2003, 01:11 PM
Hey Steve... well that sure didn't take very long:)not that I thought it would on this board. You got it exactly right. Once the cueball caroms off the 1 clearing the path for the 9 it was actually a pretty straightforward shot, particularly with the position of the 2 making the 8 a much bigger ball to hit off the bank. The other options suggested certainly also seem possible but once I saw the shot on the 9 I couldn't resist going for it /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif.

As for for the chess move, Leviathan obviously knows the game... "Discovered" check although I've known it as a "Hidden" check. I've always enjoyed the look on an opponents face /ccboard/images/graemlins/shocked.gif when by moving a blocking piece out of the way they suddenly find themselves under a serious attack they never saw coming. ...Bob

07-07-2003, 01:23 PM
pooldaddy... I've made the occassional jump/kick/bank but to call/make a multi-rail kick thru traffic is very impressive...tap-tap-tap ...Bob

Ralph S.
07-07-2003, 01:36 PM
Rod, that is the the shot that I seen myself, it looks like a great two-way shot in my opinion.

HalSmith
07-07-2003, 07:02 PM
Gee Bob, guess I play to much one pocket. I would have thined the one and left the cue ball over behind the nine. Like I have said before I don't play much nine ball anymore.---Smitty

Patrick
07-07-2003, 08:41 PM
The 8-6-9 combo is set up slightly wrong, the 9 will not go in when you hit the 8 or 6.
It only took a few seconds to see this shot, this is a normal shot in Rotation Straight Pool, but you also have to control the position of all balls, so you can't hit the 8-ball straight on if you want position for the 1-ball.

Patrick