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Qtec
08-23-2003, 01:40 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/08/22/sprj.irq.main/index.html

"These would be al Qaeda-type fighters," the president told reporters during a fund-raising stop in Seattle. "They want to fight us there because they can't stand the thought of a free society in the Middle East."


<font color="blue"> HaHa. Yeah , that must be it. </font color>

"If you notice what's happening, of course, is that as the life of the average Iraqi begins to improve, those who hate freedom destroy the infrastructures that we've been improving," Bush said. "It's part of their strategy."


<font color="blue"> The standard of living for most Iraqis is still lower than before the war . There is no infrastructure , thats the whole problem. </font color>


UN help.


U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Friday that a new resolution for a broader multinational role in Iraq under a U.N. mandate is possible, but only if decision-making is shared among countries that commit their resources. (Full story)


<font color="blue"> Is the US prepared to relinquish control of Iraq to the UN for the benefit of the Iraqi people ?Or do they consider Iraq as a prize that they want to keep and exploit ? </font color>


Raw nerve in Saudi kingdom
The fact Armitage mentioned Saudi Arabia as an entry point for anti-U.S. fighters could touch a raw nerve in the kingdom, which has insisted it is doing everything it can to combat terrorism.

The Saudi government has yet to respond to Armitage's remarks. Fifteen of the 19 al Qaeda hijackers on September 11, 2001, were from Saudi Arabia.


<font color="blue"> Considering one of the reasons for the war in Iraq was the CLAIM that Saddam supported terrorism ,yet not only are the Saudi royal family not to blame , GW,s dad is still doing buisness with them. The Carlton Club and the Saudis are one and the same . Its not surprising that they recieve special treatment. eg the recent blacked out allegations about the terrorist factions that are based in Saudi Arabia . There is nothing democratic about S Arabia. They have beheadings , stonings amputations etc A woman is not even allowed to drive a car ! </font color>

Armitage said the United States has been speaking with the Saudis "on a number of issues," and did say the Saudi government "has had a renewed effort to try to bring extremism under control" ever since the May suicide attacks in Riyadh that targeted three compounds housing Westerners. Twenty-three people were killed in those attacks; 12 bombers also died.

<font color="blue"> Well , they couldnt blame the Brits for that . Two years ago , the Saudi had no terrorists , at least that is what they claimed . To prove it , after a bomb went off under a British workers car , they convicted 4 co workers [ all British ] of being responsible . Apparently it was all to do with smuggling booze ? The 4 were tortured and made to confess on TV. They recently recieved a pardon and are now back home , thank goodness. 15 out of 19 bombers in 9/11 were Saudis. 12 died when they attacked the foriegn compound in Riyadh , thats 27 suicide fanatics to come out of SA in two years , and they dont have a problem?</font color>

"Those who perpetrated the bombing in Riyadh are as intent on harming the people of Saudi Arabia as they are in attacking American or foreign interests," Armitage said.

<font color="blue">You got that right. </font color>


A counterterrorism official told CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen that most of the militants in Iraq are coming from Saudi Arabia. Another counterterrorism official said Iraq provides "unlimited targeting. It's right in their back yard and is a very attractive cause for them."

Bergen said a half dozen U.S. officials who analyze al Qaeda say that Iraq "has become an important battleground for (al Qaeda) in the past several months." (Full story)

<font color="blue"> The longer the US hangs on to power , the worse it will get . There is too much distrust in the US presence in Iraq , its time to let the UN take over .

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Q

eg8r
08-23-2003, 08:27 PM
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The longer the US hangs on to power , the worse it will get . There is too much distrust in the US presence in Iraq , its time to let the UN take over . <hr /></blockquote> This is the most BS I have heard all day. The UN was in power and they refused to exercise that power. Now that the US has defeated Saddam, removed him from power, and killed the two sons, the UN wants to be back in charge. Well, sorry but it does not work that way. Why should the US let the UN have the power again? The UN has done nothing in the past 12 years to enforce the laws that the UN had put in place however now you think they will be able to take care of this? What a joke. The UN had trouble taking care of the problems when they had the entire world backing them. Now the US has completed the task, and you think the UN can do a better job with the clean up.

As far as needing the UN for help, I think that is BS also. We should remove all our troops that are stationed in France, Germany and Russia and place them in Iraq (remove all funding to those nations as well). We have already proven that we do not need the UN and these extra troops should be plenty enough to watch the oil lines and the syrian borders

It appears to me (understand that you may not have said this word for word, but that is how you have come across to myself and others here on the board) that you are siding with the homicide bombers (you continually state that they are doing because the US has control), the terrorists, and the Saddam loyalists. You come across everytime as you are siding with them. For some gawdawful reason you think if the UN was to take control then they will all quit committing terror. That is BS and you know it. It is not the US's fault that some man decides that he should strap a bomb to his body and board a jewish bus and blow everyone up. It is not the US's fault that a group of Saudi Arabian born, Al Qaeda trained men decided to committ terror on our land, and it is not the US's fault that a group of Saddam loyalists are in Iraq breaking oil lines and setting them on fire, and blowing up the UN. Heck, the UN was not even on the side of the US during this recent war. The UN was not the US's ally during that war, however these idiots, whom you are siding with, blew the UN up. What sense does that make?????? It obviously was not about the US and it shows they do not really care who they are bombing, so long as they are not their fellow loyalists.

To be completely honest, I am getting a little tired of your rants, quite so, you are probably tired of mine. For some reason you feel you have more knowledge than all the world leaders on international affairs, and US domestic affairs. For some reason you feel you posses all the knowledge needed to change the judicial system to be more fair, blah blah blah. It is getting a little old. If you are so darn smart, why not get your own little country under control. You of all people were just telling a little story of the good times when you were working in an illegal casino. You must be proud. It is funny but every criminal we have seems to think they know better than anyone else. You, I guess are no different.

eg8r &lt;~~~Not attacking SuperQ, just venting....

Sid_Vicious
08-23-2003, 09:15 PM
Until Bush and crew gets their power struggling crotches under control,,,gives back something to hint that we are not stealing oil, I frankly do not blame the UN for their attitude. Seriously, let's get over the bully attitude GW!!!sid

eg8r
08-23-2003, 09:33 PM
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Until Bush and crew gets their power struggling crotches under control,,, <font color="red">gives back something to hint that we are not stealing oil, </font color> I frankly do not blame the UN for their attitude. Seriously, let's get over the bully attitude GW!!!sid <hr /></blockquote> Seriously Sid, what has been shown to prove the US has been stealing the oil? Why don't you prove something before you ask someone to defend themselves...

eg8r

Qtec
08-23-2003, 10:44 PM
HaHaHa.

Facts are facts .
The US is becoming an Army of occupation , not liberation.
I never said I side with the terrorists. Although I understand their tactics , doesnt mean that I agree with them . All you have to do to understand the situation is to put yourself in the mind of the Arab.

Do they trust the US to do the right thing in Iraq ?

Nope. Why not ? Because they side with Israel [ the enemy ]in all matters.

From their point of view , America , the biggest ally of their enemy [ Israel] ,has control of Iraq [ which has many holy cities ] and continues to refuse help from the UN because they want keep total power .

Suspicious ? Could be .

You keep ranting about the UN. The UN stands for UNITED Nations, with UNITED being the operative word. The US decided to step outside the Law and do its own thing .

Can you give me one reason for the invation of Iraq ? One reason that would justify it ?

Powell couldnt give one at the UN, and he cant give one now . If anything , the lack of proof of any weapons programmes and the actual state of the infrastructure in Iraq shows that they were no threat to anybody at this time .
I dont think it unreasonable to ask that a just case be made before asking the UN to support an invasion of another country , dont you ?

My post was about the hypocritical US-Saudi relationship. You didnt comment on that at all .




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You of all people were just telling a little story of the good times when you were working in an illegal casino. You must be proud. It is funny but every criminal we have seems to think they know better than anyone else. You, I guess are no different.
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Just because I worked in a Gaming Establishment that just happened not to have a license doesnt make me a criminal .
Now you are blaming me from trying to earn a living.

You needed to have a sense of humour to get by, especially when your life was threatened on a daily basis.


I often hear the excuse from Washington that they were not prepared for such a swift decapitulation by the Iraqis. Thats why Baghdad was allowed to be looted and anarchy took over.
Havent they ever heard of plan B?

Its looks to me that the US have miscalculated and are now paying the price. Well the grunts are paying the price .

War for America means death for its troops and promotion for its Generals.

Q

Blackwolf
08-23-2003, 10:48 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> You were just telling a little story of the good times when you were working in an illegal casino. <hr /></blockquote>That was one of the best stories told on CCB recently. Everybody loves a casino story. Sheesh.

Hopster
08-23-2003, 11:43 PM
Just because I worked in a Gaming Establishment that just happened not to have a license doesnt make me a criminal .&lt;--Qtec

No it doesnt make you a criminal.If it does then i guess im Al Capone cause i worked in over 30 of them. But then again im another story.
You worked , made a good living and didnt hurt anyone. Makes you all right with me.

Rod
08-24-2003, 12:11 AM
Yawn - - - ZZZZZ

Qtec
08-24-2003, 04:46 AM
Thanks for your input Rod. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Q

Fran Crimi
08-24-2003, 07:54 AM
eg8r, This article may give you a little more insight into the mindset in the Netherlands. As you read it, keep in mind that they're just supplying aid to the "Territories", not the terrorist regime that rules those "Territories", mind you, just the "Territories".

(Sure, uh huh... /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

Fran ~~ Oh, and I couldn't find anything in their "Middle East Policy" that showed Netherlands supplying aid to the Israeli "Territories".


Palestinian Territories - Review of the Netherlands Development Programme for the Palestinian Territories, 1994-1999 / Report no. 282
PDF - 44.4 KB

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Palestinian Territories

iob key sheet
Report no. 282
Review of the Netherlands Development Programme for the Palestinian Territories, 1994-1999

Background information:

The Netherlands’ bilateral co-operation programme with the Palestinian National Authority is part of the Netherlands Middle-East policy. It focuses on the establishment of a permanent peace in this region. The economic support is particularly meant for less developed regions and is to pursue a more balanced socio-economic development, whilst institutions are being strengthened in support of civil society development. The aim of the review is to assess whether the Dutch support has led to more stability in the territories, and whether the projects and programmes supported were relevant, effective, efficient and sustainable. A reaction of the Palestinian Authorities on the review has been included in the report.





Main findings


Policy relevance
The policy relevance of the aid programme was generally good. Although economic losses resulting from Israeli security procedures and closures exceeded the donor aid levels, this aid has cushioned the blow for individual Palestinians. The Palestinian Authority showed a consistent priority for infrastructural development. Secondary attention was given to Dutch priorities regarding support for the position of women, human rights and democracy. Palestinian and Dutch policies both gave priority to poverty alleviation via employment creation and small credit schemes, to primary education, and to water supply and sanitary conditions.


Effectiveness
The effectiveness was generally good. With regard to social services, most physical targets in education, water supply and sanitation, and rural development, have been attained. Institutional support has helped the Palestinian Authority Institutions to become more mature. The police, local authorities and water institutions bear witness to that. Support to the Ministry of Agriculture has yet to gain momentum. In transport, the bus and aircraft projects have attained their immediate objectives. The port project was delayed due to security issues raised by Israel. Most private sector development projects have been effective in providing credit to micro- and small-scale enterprises. Raising environmental awareness has been effective as well.

Efficiency
The large spread of activities does not reflect clear choices and has affected the manageability of the
programme. The efficiency of projects has also been affected by political problems and by the economic confinement of the territories. All transport projects and regional initiatives regarding water issues, competitiveness and shared environmental concerns have suffered in this way. Staff often could not travel freely through the territories. The young Palestinian institutions often did not yet function properly. The construction of schools has occasionally been delayed by non-compatibility between Dutch disbursement procedures and Palestinian tender practices.



Sustainability
Thanks to substantial financial support, training and technical assistance, the capabilities of various Palestinian institutions have become such that their institutional and technical sustainability in principle is assured. In the agriculture and environment sectors further streamlining and specification of responsibilities is required. The weak legal system still allows opportunistic appointments and dismissals. The financial sustainability of the transport sector largely depends on the political situation. Credit programmes for women and micro-enterprises stand a good chance of becoming sustainable.


Issues for the future:

Aid management
Although the approach of rapid and flexible support by the donor community may at first have been understandable, more focussing of the aid programme is eventually required, and the design and sustainability of projects should be given more attention.


Development relevance
In the choice of some development activities political considerations outweighed sometimes their limited developmental effects. Reaching the poorest and improving the position of women however should not become secondary to political objectives.


Efficiency
A focus on matters for which sufficient expertise is available among Dutch aid authorities could be more efficient and effective. Both aid co-ordination and the dialogue with the Palestinian authorities should be improved so that the duplication of aid efforts can be avoided as well as the erosion of the institutional strength of the Palestine Authority. The Palestinian Ministry of Planning and International Co-operation has asked for this. Positive is that in 1998, 59 per cent of Dutch bilateral aid was disbursed through Palestinian Authority entities, against 29 per cent in 1994.


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The Policy and Operations Evaluation Department (IOB) is an independent arm of the ministry. Its objective is to meet the need for independent evaluation in all fields of foreign policy. The reports are public and are used as feedback to improve policies and their implementation.

This information is extracted from:
IOB Evaluations No. 282: Review of the Netherlands Development Programme for the Palestinian Territories, 1994-1999
ISBN 50-5328-245-9 / Order code OSDR 0408/E

Qtec
08-24-2003, 08:14 AM
OMG /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The worst you can find about the Dutch is that they try to provide for a people who are totally oppressed , living well under the poverty level and subjected to daily humiliation on all levels .

Again , the points I make are not discussed . All I get is more finger pointing . I know most of you cant help it because this is the way American politics operates.

ie . Vote for me , because the other guy is worse than I am . /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Q

eg8r
08-24-2003, 09:09 AM
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That was one of the best stories told on CCB recently. Everybody loves a casino story. Sheesh. <hr /></blockquote> What is the "sheesh" about??? I did not say it was a bad story did I???

eg8r

eg8r
08-24-2003, 09:18 AM
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Can you give me one reason for the invation of Iraq ? One reason that would justify it ? <hr /></blockquote> The past 12 years of defying the UN mandates and resolutions should be a good enough reason....

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My post was about the hypocritical US-Saudi relationship. You didnt comment on that at all . <hr /></blockquote> You are correct. I feel I did not need to, given the way you portray everything else. I am glad you are able to think from the Arab point of view. Could you please tell us what it is about their point of view that makes them correct and justify the actions of killing innocent women and children on purpose?????? Answer that.

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Just because I worked in a Gaming Establishment that just happened not to have a license doesnt make me a criminal . <hr /></blockquote> Oh, now it sounds so innocent...let me quote what it was before you were called out <blockquote><font class="small">Quote Previous description of SuperQ job:</font><hr> The first illegal casino/gambling den that I worked in in Amsterdam <hr /></blockquote> Sure did not sound like all they did wrong was not have a license. Sorry, you can sugar coat it all you want, and oh you just needed to work there because there were no other legitimate jobs available. That is one excuse the crack dealers should try to use, "Sorry judge but I was just trying to make a living.".

Given your past posts about our judicial system, I already understood you knew nothing about what a criminal was and this quote here shows it exactly. If you are participating in an illegal activity, at the least you are aiding, and that is as close to a criminal as you need to be to sit in front of a judge.

I did not comment on the rest of the crap because I really am a bit tired of it right now. How about SuperQ do something in his own country to fix the problems there before he tries to help the rest of the world.

eg8r

eg8r
08-24-2003, 09:32 AM
Thanks Fran. It is quite easy to understand that Q is more interested in pointing out the shortcomings of everyone else and does not want to draw attention to himself or his pitiful little drugged up country. He tries to let the blow bounce off by continuing about other countries problems. It is funny because it seems he thinks all the bad in his country is ok because it is not near as bad as his perception of US policy. Whatever floats his boat, I guess...

He comments on our criminal system and thinks it is all corrupt. Well surprise it appears from his own testimony that he is a past criminal (who I guess got away with it). Surely he would not side with the police when he hangs out with the other side.

eg8r

Sid_Vicious
08-24-2003, 10:35 AM
Seems to me that US contractors are sucking up most al the contracts for infrastructure rebuild, and THAT in itself if pure cold cash on one country's pockets. Haliburton ring any bells? The UN would help in Iraq, but it seems that this country fails to relenquish power and share($$$) so now we've got the policing plus the profit, but also the American danger and death with out sole presense. It's like a kid's game, "I won, I won, the spoils is mine." They're saying in general that rebuild wealth is ours, nobody's but ours!" Big business is running even their government in Iraq, and I feel that we should adjust and allow some flexibility in order to get more world backing. Oil is in the the center, a symbolic theft..sid

Sid

Qtec
08-24-2003, 10:42 AM
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Can you give me one reason for the invation of Iraq ? One reason that would justify it ?
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The past 12 years of defying the UN mandates and resolutions should be a good enough reason....

<font color="blue"> Should be but they arent. Israel still has resolutions against it from 30 years ago. </font color>

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I am glad you are able to think from the Arab point of view. Could you please tell us what it is about their point of view that makes them correct and justify the actions of killing innocent women and children on purpose?????? Answer that.
<hr /></blockquote>

Terrorism is an act of violence against the people , not the state .The whole point of terrorism is terror . Random attacks aimed at destroying the peace of mind of the ordinary citizen .
You seem to overlook the fact that almost all of these attacks are by suicide bombers . I think you must be very desperate to give up your own life in such a manner .


Is Ken Lay a criminal ? Is Cardnal Law a criminal ? Is taking your country to war under false pretences criminal ?
Selling weapons to lunatics , is that criminal ?

If you effectively end someones life by sending them to prison for the rest of their lives by lying, do you deserve the death penalty ? What if you do it to 20 people ?


I will follow with interest the trial of this guy . You wanna bet a buck he doesnt get life ?


I have the same attitude to gambling as you do to cigarettes . You dont have to smoke them and you dont have to gamble . If you do , you take you're chances .

Anybody who gambles should expect to lose .

Q

Qtec
08-24-2003, 10:47 AM
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Haliburton ring any bells? <hr /></blockquote>

Yes . The first and biggest contract to be offered . There was no biding. The contract was awarded to Haliburton , the PREVIOUS EMPLOYER of D Cheny before he entered politics .

Q

Voodoo Daddy
08-24-2003, 11:32 AM
Qtec
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98 days...955 posts = 9.74 per day...running a muck like a few others &lt;shake's head/ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gifand walks away laughing&gt;

Qtec
08-24-2003, 12:52 PM
Is there a law against it ? Appreciate me while i'm here .

Most people need me , they just dont realise it . /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

" Go do , that voodoo , that you do , so well ."


Blazing Saddles . /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

Voodoo Daddy
08-24-2003, 01:38 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Is there a law against it?

No, hardly. Just look around you at your "full of themselves" peers. /ccboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Appreciate me while i'm here .

No thanks /ccboard/images/graemlins/mad.gif...you spew too much hatred towards us here in the USA.


Most people need me , they just dont realise it . /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Q

I suppose someone needs you &lt;I wonder /ccboard/images/graemlins/confused.gif who that one person is?&gt;.


" Go do , that voodoo , that you do , so well ."


Blazing Saddles . /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mongo /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.giflaughs and walks away

Q <hr /></blockquote>

eg8r
08-24-2003, 05:02 PM
This is more BS. Why would we let the UN come in and take control when we did all the grunt work. Maybe you are the type of worker to do all the work and let someone else take the credit, I am not. Let's say we let the UN take over, so that foolish naysayers do not think we are stealing oil, and the country is rebuilt and a new government is put in place...What is going to be said..."Thank goodness the UN got rid of Saddam and gave the land back to the people." That is my guess.

You have not given a reason or proof that we are stealing oil or profits, all you have done was state that we are letting the oil pay for the rebuilding process. Well guess what, NO KIDDING. Why should that liablility be placed on the people of Iraq when countries like France are not willing to let old debts go away. We are the country that did the work, along with our allies (at the time) so we all should be the ones doing the rebuild.

eg8r

eg8r
08-24-2003, 05:23 PM
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Should be but they arent. Israel still has resolutions against it from 30 years ago. <hr /></blockquote> Is it easier for you to let the blows glance off then actually face them...We are not talking about Israel, and Israel is not the subject matter. The problem is that my statement was correct and you could not handle it. So, easy enough you try to bring someone else in to help out. Sorry, you asked for one example and I gave you 12.

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You seem to overlook the fact that almost all of these attacks are by suicide bombers . I think you must be very desperate to give up your own life in such a manner . <hr /></blockquote> Where did I overlook the homicide bombers...go back and read what I wrote it said... <blockquote><font class="small">Quote eg8r:</font><hr> It is not the US's fault that some man decides that he should strap a bomb to his body and board a jewish bus and blow everyone up. <hr /></blockquote> Now that is pretty black and white, so please, where did I overlook the homicide bombers??????
I do not think these acts are out of desperation at all, instead they are happening from a brainwashing from birth that the Jews are the evil enemy.

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Is Ken Lay a criminal ? <font color="blue"> Yes, and if you remember I have stated this before on this board. I think Bush was lying when he stated he did not know Ken Lay very well. </font color> Is Cardnal Law a criminal ? <font color="blue"> Sure if he knew what was going on and did nothing about it. </font color> Is taking your country to war under false pretences criminal ? <font color="blue"> Have you decided that an individual is equal to a country??? Probably not, which country and war are you referring to? </font color>
Selling weapons to lunatics , is that criminal ? <font color="blue"> Are we referring to an individual with no license to sell the weapons? </font color>
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If you effectively end someones life by sending them to prison for the rest of their lives by lying, do you deserve the death penalty ? What if you do it to 20 people ? <hr /></blockquote> Not sure what point you are trying to make here, but if you perjur yourself, then yes, I do think you are a criminal. Isn't being a criminal the subject matter, and not the means by which you are dealt with??? Lets not stray from the subject matter.

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I have the same attitude to gambling as you do to cigarettes . You dont have to smoke them and you dont have to gamble . If you do , you take you're chances . <hr /></blockquote> Once again you speak before you think.... Gambling was not the subject matter, nor was I questioning someone about gambling. The subject matter was knowingly working for an illegal casino. Once you understand what you are reading then these discussions might make better sense and be easier for you to follow.

This entire post is a great example of you not reading what I write. It happens continually and I think that is a big problem. If you decide to reply to this, please read my responses to the quotes you made and then stick with that same subject matter. Try real hard to prove your point on that instance without having to bring in something else that is completely different.

eg8r

Qtec
08-24-2003, 09:06 PM
Dont listen to eg8r. I do not hate America or Americans.

The subject matter that I bring up is all in the news . Can I help it if it happens to be in America ?

Its a symptom of the state of Democracy that that ANY critisism is immediately shouted down with terms like ,'Traitor' and' American hater'.

If you oppose war, you are a coward ! Thats very intelligent , dont you think ?

This 'tactic' was used by Britain in WW1. to get men to join the army and to discourage opposition . Women were encouraged to give a white feather to men who had not yet joined up.

At the Battle of the Somme, 30,000 died in the first hour in one attempt to gain ground.

If you cant critisize, you dont have freedom.

Q

Voodoo Daddy
08-24-2003, 09:33 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote Qtec:</font><hr> Dont listen to eg8r. I do not hate America or Americans.

Voodoo; I dont listen to any man...I make my own opinion of people.

The subject matter that I bring up is all in the news . Can I help it if it happens to be in America ?

Voodoo; If I were so inclined, I could find countless dirt on any nation. Clearly a case of "way too much time at the keyboard after you read the newspaper and believe EVERYTHING you read and go right to CCB to piss of pool players in another country" syndrome.

Its a symptom of the state of Democracy that that ANY critisism is immediately shouted down with terms like ,'Traitor' and' American hater'.

If you oppose war, you are a coward ! Thats very intelligent , dont you think ?

This 'tactic' was used by Britain in WW1. to get men to join the army and to discourage opposition . Women were encouraged to give a white feather to men who had not yet joined up.

At the Battle of the Somme, 30,000 died in the first hour in one attempt to gain ground.

If you cant critisize, you dont have freedom.

Q <hr /></blockquote>

Voodoo; Critisize all you like Q...you have your tainted veiw of My country, fueled by the only real outlet of facts in your world...the media. Enjoy as I laugh at your obvious dislike for us living in America.

Qtec
08-24-2003, 10:05 PM
Voodoo , you dont know anything about me .
Did you know that I have lived in four different countries ?

Do you think I talk about Tulia or Iraq with my friends ? Of course not , just like most people , they are not interested .I dont even bother . /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

You shouldnt take me too seriously . Just because I make a case or put forward a point , it doesnt neccessarily mean I that is what I personally think .

eg I could just as easily arguee FOR gun control as AGAINST it.


Q

I like you guys , really . /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Voodoo Daddy
08-25-2003, 05:54 AM
Take anyone serious? On here? I am impressed with your world travel and your discret selections of world news conversations with "your friends" but the bottom line for me is this. You are a pot-stirrer, which is ok...I just like to eat the food!!!