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preacherman
04-09-2002, 02:38 PM
I think pool needs in some ways to get a new image.

I've seen both the fancy NO SMOKING ALLOWED pool halls (specifically Barleys - Atlanta, GA) and also the MANY that are smoke filled, heavy drinking, music blaring and swearing beyond belief, etc. I'll go into BOTH, though I feel more at home in the No Smoking establishments.

I just want to take a stand here and say as a Christian I can play pool ANYWHERE that I feel I won't have to compromise my beliefs, and will BOLDLY proclaim I'm a Christian in any Pool Hall (if so led).

The reason I'm writing THIS is because I feel a call to mix ministry and pool for the Glory of God. I believe it's quite possible I will move my ministry into Las Vegas in a couple or few years.

I would like input and suggestions on my starting a Christian Pool Organization with HIGH Christian standards to bring Christians together to play and fellowship AND also to go into secular leagues, etc. and to be an example of a follower of Christ to those who so need Him or are hurting.

So I ask 2 things?

1. Can you let me know if there are Christians out there interested in a Christian Organization as I am setting up?

2. If there are other Christian Ministries out there with this purpose please let me know of them. So far I know of two (Gospel Trick Shot Ministries and Tommy Kennedy). Do you know of others?

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks everyone,
Jim (Preacherman)

04-09-2002, 02:53 PM
Jim,

I suggest you contact Steve Lillis. He is a strong player in the Northeast and a minister to boot (I think). When he plays on Joss Tours, I think he arranges with the room to give some sort of a sermon on Sunday to anyone who wishes to listen.

I am sorry, though, as I do not have any contact information. If you do get a chance to speak to him, please tell him I say hi.

- Steve Lipsky

preacherman
04-09-2002, 03:46 PM
I have e-mailed Steve earlier this week, and we have just started corresponding by e-mail.

Jim

jjinfla
04-09-2002, 03:53 PM
And you can contact Tommy Kennedy. Not a minister - but close. Jake

TomBrooklyn
04-09-2002, 04:12 PM
Mike Massey mixes pool and Christian ministry. He and an assistant whose name I didn't catch put on a small trick shot exhibition at Valley Forge and made analogies to what they were doing on the pool table to some Christian principles. Then they passed out fliers and advised about something going on later; but I didn't attend that.

Does anyone have a prayer that will make one play better?

Regards,

Tom_In_Cincy
04-09-2002, 08:02 PM
I always thank God, every day and sometimes more when playing pool.


Good luck on your pilgrimage

04-10-2002, 01:37 AM
You're setting up a Ministry in Las Vegas? Have you perchance read the "Dead Zone" by Stephen King? Yikes.

Frankly, if you're going to show HIGH standards as you've preached, you should start a leage for those with faith, period, regardless of their religious background. Then you would be living up to HIGH standards.

Don't you see what's going on in the Middle East and in Afghanistan? It all stems from self-ailienation by religious zealots. We're all in this world together. All the religions of this world must show respect for one another. Do some good and bring everyone of all faiths together.

This is not the time to promote separateness.


Fran

04-10-2002, 01:41 AM
Correction: I meant "The Stand" by Stephen King and that was me who posted above. Forgot to fill in my name.

Fran

Drake
04-10-2002, 02:42 AM
I know Shawn Putnam is also a christian. I asked him about his gambling and he replied "My religious beliefs do not conflict with gambling in moderation, It's just another part of my job."

Rich R.
04-10-2002, 05:51 AM
I won't give a name, but there is a very famous pro player who, when playing very well, has been know to walk around the table, look up, and say, "Come down half way and I'll spot you the 8."
I'm not sure if this is what your looking for???? LM#O.
Rich R.~~~good luck in any endeavor that brings people together to play pool.

Chris Cass
04-10-2002, 08:12 AM
Shawn would be right. See priests, nuns and you name it in the casinos everyday. It's the modern day retirement village. Buy in, lose, get a free meal and go home.

Hell, had one guy die on a Black Jack table. The dealer thought the guy was just responding to the 16 the dealer dealt him, when his head hit the layout.

C.C.

stickman
04-10-2002, 08:37 AM
Oh well, if you're human, you're a sinner. Fortunately God forgives. I'm not implying it's okay to sin, just stating my opinion. I consider myself a Christian. I'm also a poolplayer that smokes, and gambles. I'm working on the smoking thing. The gambling is only small, friendly wagers. I know there's probably a few other sins I'm guilty of, but that's between Him and me. /ccboard/images/icons/smile.gif

Q-guy
04-10-2002, 08:48 AM
They seem to be able to bend their beliefs to suit their needs. In business lately you often run into people who make it known they a Christian. My guard go up immediately. I regard it as a form of salesmanship to convince me they are in some way additionally honest. Yea right.

04-10-2002, 11:45 AM
Fran,

Tap, tap.

- Steve

P.S. I resisted the urge to use the other popular phrase for complimenting a post, "Amen" :-)

Ralph S.
04-10-2002, 05:17 PM
Tommy Kennedy is probably the best example you will find of a true practicing Christian in a game that is filled with vices and is notorious for its dark and seedy past. My personal take is that yes, I could see it working but there are going to be many nay-sayers along the way who might ridicule and scoff at you beyond belief. As for me, I am a born again Christian, but am human. Therefore I am just as prone to the sins of the world as anybody else. With NOTABLE exception to this post I generally keep my religious beliefs to my self as many people might feel that religion is being forced on them. Religion is much like politics, it can be a very touchy subject. I do wish you well in your endeavors.
Ralph S.

Kato
04-11-2002, 09:27 AM
Isn't gambling prohibited in the Christian religion? My parents are both born again and have regularly preached to me about the evils of gambling. The Catholics get around it some how, I don't know. I know Tommy quit gambling and went straight laced I assume because it's against the doctrine. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Kato

04-11-2002, 10:23 AM
Tom...Uh, that would have been Steve Lillis, of Gospel Trick Shot Ministries...LOL...and Mike was Steve's asst.!!!

Scott Lee

04-15-2002, 09:49 PM
Your short e-mail was a blessing - stay in touch

04-15-2002, 09:55 PM
I'm looking initially for Christians who want to be part of a Christian league.

04-15-2002, 09:57 PM
I don't feel we should gamble. I play pool for fun, and because I feel it is a door to minister to people NOT take their money. :-)

04-15-2002, 09:59 PM
Sad that you have to be cautious of supposed "Christians".
There are real CHristians out there, who let God's Word be their standard on what they can and can't do (don't want to do).

preacherman
04-15-2002, 10:04 PM
Above post from Jim. I forgot to log in so didn't show my name

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman)

preacherman
04-15-2002, 10:07 PM
Above post from Jim.

I forgot to log in so didn't show my name.

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman)

preacherman
04-15-2002, 10:08 PM
Above post from Jim. I forgot to log in so didn't show my name.

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman)

preacherman
04-15-2002, 10:10 PM
Above post from Jim (Preacherman).
I forgot to log in so didn't show my name.

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman)

preacherman
04-15-2002, 10:11 PM
Above post from Jim.
I forgot to log in so didn't show my name - stay in touch!

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman)

preacherman
04-15-2002, 10:15 PM
Above post was from me (Jim). I forgot to log in so didn't show my name

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman)

04-15-2002, 10:44 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: preacherman:</font><hr> I just want to take a stand here and say as a Christian I can play pool ANYWHERE that I feel I won't have to compromise my beliefs, and will BOLDLY proclaim I'm a Christian in any Pool Hall (if so led).Jim (Preacherman)
<hr></blockquote>

ok. it's not my fault.

i fought the demon urge the first time this thread hit. fought with the power of sampson and the patience of job.

it's not my fault someone brought this thread back up to the front page (which is all i ever read).

i can't stand it any more. i've got to respond:

preach, i'll make you a deal, i'll promise not to drink, smoke, gamble and shoot pool in the middle of your church if you'll promise not to launch into sermons in my pool room.

ok??

dan...druid. worships inanimate objects. usually spherical ones.

preacherman
04-16-2002, 11:48 AM
Sorry NO deal.
But this was not a sermon but a question!?
One that got many responses, most favorable!!!
Have you looked at my other postings?

Jim

Rod
04-16-2002, 12:15 PM
Quote Jim,Sorry NO deal.
But this was not a sermon but a question!?
One that got many responses, most favorable!!!
Have you looked at my other postings? "

Jim


Yes I looked at your other postings, especially yesterday when this post come up SIX TIMES or better!!

Quote jim, "Above post from Jim. I forgot to log in so didn't show my name

My e-mail address is: jjmazzu@bellsouth.net

Thanks,
Jim (Preacherman) "

A little over kill wouldn't you say?

Troy
04-16-2002, 12:56 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: preacherman:</font><hr> I think pool needs in some ways to get a new image.

I just want to take a stand here and say as a Christian I can play pool ANYWHERE that I feel I won't have to compromise my beliefs, and will BOLDLY proclaim I'm a Christian in any Pool Hall (if so led).
<hr></blockquote>

I suggest you take guidance by how Mike Massey conducts himself in a pool room and around pool players.
Mike is a Born Again Christian, but he NEVER proselytizes.

Q-guy
04-16-2002, 01:26 PM
Post deleted by Q-guy

preacherman
04-16-2002, 02:30 PM
Actually, I had not meant to hide behind the title of "Anonymous" (like some do)that was an accident, AND I was just trying to answer those that I felt should get a response back from ME. So it may have turned into "over kill" but wasn't meant to be! Sorry!

Also what I meant by look at my OTHER post on OTHER questions I have asked.

Jim :-)

preacherman
04-16-2002, 02:49 PM
Yes, I was just trying to answer back to some who made comments. I am happy with the overall response.

I learned something new when it pushed me to the top of the list - LOL!

Jim

04-17-2002, 12:26 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: preacherman:</font><hr> Actually, I had not meant to hide behind the title of "Anonymous" (like some do)that was an accident, AND I was just trying to answer those that I felt should get a response back from ME. So it may have turned into "over kill" but wasn't meant to be! Sorry!

Also what I meant by look at my OTHER post on OTHER questions I have asked.

Jim :-) <hr></blockquote>

p-man,

i have watched your other posts on pool and there is not doubt you are a player. you've made your bones as they say some places.

however, i repeat, i know what a church is and i know what a poolroom is and i'll chose which i want to be in at any given time.

with love and respect,

dan

TomBrooklyn
04-17-2002, 12:50 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Anonymous(Scott Lee):</font><hr> Tom...Uh, that would have been Steve Lillis, of Gospel Trick Shot Ministries...LOL...and Mike was Steve's asst.!!!Scott Lee <hr></blockquote> Thanks for the FYI, Scott.
One thing I was able to tell from the presentation though, was that although Mike Massey may have been Steve's assistant in the ministry; I'd put Steve in the assistant role as far as trick shooting goes. /ccboard/images/icons/wink.gif

TomBrooklyn
04-17-2002, 01:13 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Kato:</font><hr> Isn't gambling prohibited in the Christian religion?<hr></blockquote> No. I can find nothing in the Christian Holy Scriptures prohibiting gambling, and I have scoured the Bible backwards and forwards on this issue.

<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Kato:</font><hr>My parents are both born again and have regularly preached to me about the evils of gambling.<hr></blockquote>I think you should witness to your wonderful parents that gambling is not a vice according to the Bible; and tell them to let their hearts and souls be at peace.

rackmup
04-17-2002, 09:37 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr>Playing pool AND being Christian - Do they mix???<hr></blockquote>

Preacherman,

Like HDJ, I tried to refrain from contributing to this thread but here is my $.02 worth.

Are you asking us if they "mix?" I'm curious because if you are feeling God's calling to mix the two, who are you to doubt that calling AND why would you feel you need a "second opinion" from us?

I am a church-going Christian and I play pool. Do they "mix?" After Sunday services, I kiss my wife and kids goodbye and head to a weekly 9-ball tourney. The pool room is full of "sins" and "sinners" partaking in smoking, gambling, drinking to excess, and occasionally, sex (in the parking lot) but I will give the benefit of the doubt to them and assume they are married and simply furthering the consumation of their blessed wedding day.

"Sin" is everywhere...the grocery store, the gas station and at the work place. Do I as a Christian, choose to avoid these places? Nope. I have to eat, need gas to get to the grocery store and must work to pay for the gas and groceries.

My pool playing allows me the time to be away from my "troubles." It also affords the family time to be away from me when I am troubled. This equates to less tension and arguing should I not participate in a sport I have enjoyed as long as I have.

As long as I am not gambling the mortage away, betting the title to my truck or engaging in forays in the back seat of a car in the parking lot, I'm certain my God has no problem with my pool playing.

Our recreation center at church has a pool table, although it is more often concealed by a 4X8 sheet of plywood and used as a buffet table. NOW THAT IS A SIN!

Regards,

Ken

preacherman
04-17-2002, 10:06 PM
Thanks for sharing. I don't doubt what I'm doing, was curious on what others thought. Got some good feedback.

Jim

preacherman
07-07-2002, 11:54 PM
Maybe you should look into what CPPA is doing.
I believe it will be a blessing.

My site is: www.geocities.com/pool4Christ/ (http://www.geocities.com/pool4Christ/)

Thanks,
Jim

TomBrooklyn
07-08-2002, 06:36 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote: Anonymous:</font><hr> Frankly, if you're going to show HIGH standards as you've preached, you should start a leage for those with faith, period, regardless of their religious background. Then you would be living up to HIGH standards.

All the religions of this world must show respect for one another. Do some good and bring everyone of all faiths together. This is not the time to promote separateness. Fran <hr></blockquote>

Fran, I agree with you that all religions should give due respect to other religions, however, I think diversity is a wonderful thing. I find it much more interesting to experience religious, cultural, culinary, artistic, ethnic, and racial diversity than to have these differences blended together into a bland morass.

The world is quickly becoming a smaller place. Diversity is being lost. It is one of the penalties in many ways, not a benefit in some ways, of modern technology. We should promote and enjoy differences, not try to homoginize them.

07-08-2002, 06:48 PM
as an athiest would be allowed to play in your league?