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RedHell
09-18-2003, 01:17 PM
This situation presented itself to a team mate in our weekly VNEA league match yesterday.

He has solids:
WEI Table (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

START(
%Ao6G0%BY1Z7%CC0[9%DB8\3%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB8[8
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Nq8E0%OB8B7%PT9F4
)END

How would you deal with it ?

Aboo
09-18-2003, 01:30 PM
Hit half the 2 ball with low outside english and try to give him a difficult shot on the 13, if not hook him behind the 8 ball.

But that's just me, and I"m not a genious at this game :P

RedHell
09-18-2003, 01:40 PM
As for a hint, he went all out and score the game point.

We were just amazed at how he did it.

Plus he's only a D+ player, wich I believe is the equivalent of an SL2 in APA...

ms_cue
09-18-2003, 01:45 PM
I'm curious how the VNEA handicaps? I play big table 9ball and am a listed D+ player, but when I left the APA over a year ago, I was a sl5

RedHell
09-18-2003, 01:52 PM
In my VNEA league, hadicaping is done by pears.

When you first joined the league, your captain declare an handicap for you. After a few weeks you get re-rank or confirmed for the season in a Captains' meeting.

If a players is declared lower than 2 points from the reality, ie, if I declare a new player a D and his real strenght is a C+, the player can be banned for the year, to the discretion of the league director.

The ranking goes as follow:
D
D+
C
C+
B
B+
A
A+
Master.

A and A+ are considered semi-pro and Masters are considered Pro.

bolo
09-18-2003, 02:00 PM
You could do this, making the combo and leave the 1 by the pocket. I may bank the 1 though and get on the 2 to win the game.
START(
%Ao6G0%BY1Z7%CC0[9%DB8\3%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB8[8
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Nq8E0%OB8B7%PT9F4%SC5W2%UL4Z7%V s1K6%Wm7G7
%XV5F5%Yr3J4%Zo0G7%[E5X6%\J6Z6
)END

RedHell
09-18-2003, 02:02 PM
Well remember he's a D+ and like many D and D+ sometimes lack judgement on the shot and go all out. Let me say he add balls to do what he did.

Here it goes...

He cut the 2 to the corner with top left....

START(
%Ao6G0%BY1Z7%CB7\0%DB9[9%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB5\0
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Nq8E0%OB8B7%PT9F4%Qo3K9%Um6D7%V j9Z6%WW8Y9
%XT7G3%Yd7D5%ZX7Y6%[j2Z2%\e7D0%]o3K4%^m7C7%bq4Z8%c_1Z6%dZ4Z7
)END

The bank the one hard with a draw, pushing the 8 to C, leaving the CB to B.

START(
%Ao6G0%Bt2\2%CB7\0%DB9[9%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB5\0
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Nq9D7%OB8B7%Pp2M7%Qn8N2%RF8N3%S E5X4%Uo8D7
%Vo5E8%WH6P8%XK0T3%YL3T1%Zn6G5%[r9Y1%\p2C6%]o4H9%^p0M4%bG6X0
%cI4U9%dI6U6
)END

He then put the patch down and pocketed an easy 8.

We (my team and our opponents) were all in awwww !!!

CrispyFish
09-18-2003, 02:05 PM
I don't have a table handy to try this, but how about:

START(
%Ao6G0%BY1Z7%CC0[9%DB8\3%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB8[8
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Nq8E0%OB8B7%PT9F4%UN4E1%VW2Z5%[n0H5%\Z1Z3
%]D2U5%^N0D4
)END

Bank the 2 cross-table to make the 2-1-14 combo, freeing up the pocket and leaving the opponent in a lousy position on the short rail.

Just a thought...

RedHell
09-18-2003, 02:12 PM
That would have been a more seasoned shot...

I was thinking in the same line but bringing the cueball to the bottom rail close to the 13.

CrispyFish
09-18-2003, 02:23 PM
I like your shot better.

RedHell
09-18-2003, 02:28 PM
Thanks,

But afterall, I prefer the one my teamate played... He made them, put on a big show and big thrill for us...

That's what league is about. Saddly on that team, I'm supposed to be the all conservative and bring the points in guy /ccboard/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Fred Agnir
09-18-2003, 03:57 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote RedHell:</font><hr> This situation presented itself to a team mate in our weekly VNEA league match yesterday.

He has solids:
WEI Table (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

START(
%Ao6G0%BY1Z7%CC0[9%DB8\3%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB8[8
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Nq8E0%OB8B7%PT9F4
)END

How would you deal with it ? <hr /></blockquote> I suppose if he's nutz, he could bank the one off the 11-ball into the side. Natural on the 2.

Or here's a wingding fantasy. Bank the 2-ball and pocket if off the 14 for a clearout.

Fred &lt;~~~ would rather have stripes

Barbara
09-18-2003, 04:01 PM
Ouch? Bank the 2 off the 11? I don't know about you, but that angle bank is always a double kiss for me.

Barbara~~~not trying to get smoochy with Fred /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cheesemouse
09-18-2003, 04:30 PM
RedHell,

I would do this:

START(
%Ar2D4%BY1Z7%CC0[9%DB8\3%EB7B8%FB8B7%GB7B8%HJ5T8%IB8B8%JB8[8
%K\3E2%LB7B7%MI8E3%Ns8B8%OB8B7%PD0E7
)END

combo the 1 into the stripe leaving the one in front of the pocket and run whitey two rails leaving no great shakes on the remaining stripes...

It just seems natural.....hehehe /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

heater451
09-18-2003, 04:31 PM
A couple of the other shots that involve defense in the corner with the 8 ball I could see doing. . . .The two key issues that I see are clearing/screwing up the 14 in the corner, to take it away from the opponent, and the two ball would probably be better somewhere else--barring expectation to play safe until a shot down the rail was available.

Given the disclosure of the player's handicap, I will make the assumption that he's more inclined to play aggressively and 'go for it'. This leads me to think that he either cut the 2 down table, which is a very hard shot, and leaves me questioning the position on the 1--plus, he might be left with a 'follow' shot through the 14. . . .I think he probably went with the 1-ball bank, back to the corner with the 8, was positioned to put the 2 in the same hole (narrowly missing the scratch in the side pocket), and then had a shot on the 8 to one of the corners. Then again, the two might have been bank-able to the pocket near the 13. . . .

--Looking at the diagram again, I'm not sure if he could see enough of the 1 to bank it--yet it also looks like it might 'tiki' past the 14 (into the rail, off the 14. Always hard to tell, with a diagram.

How did he get out?



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RedHell
09-19-2003, 01:51 PM
Heater,

You're the closest to the shot he played.

If you look at one of my post earlier I give the solution.

He cut the 2 corner with left english and got position after a 4 rail zigzag for the 1 bank corner. Which he made and got perfect for the 8.

We just couldn't believe it.

He was proud /ccboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif