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Qtec
09-19-2003, 07:00 AM
8ball, I have stripes and have to play.

What did I do? I messed it up.

I wanted to play this.

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web page (http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html)

What would you play?

Qtec

Optimus_P
09-19-2003, 09:06 AM
why not opt for the safty?
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according to the diagram you posted the ball is about 1-2" off the rail. all you have to do is line up teh 14 and cueball (heck even try to bury half the cue ball behind the 14) but you want the 14 to stay. (note i moved the 14 a hair to accomidate some slight movement)

from here. he has 1 option.

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note that this does imply he breaks the 6/8 blockcade up by about 1 or 2 balls distance. if the 8 does not move the 6 will and you should still have a clean shot at the 14.

Your reply to that option would be.
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you have to have the cue just off the rail after the 14 is made so you have plenty of angle for the 9.

Senero 1:

then you cut the 9. now the leave off the 9 is very important. if you leave yourself down by the headstring, then play a safty off the 8. and place the 8ball closer to the cornor pocket infront of the 6. (the object here is to block the 6 from haveing any access to the cornor. so be in his line of sight.

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if this is done correcly his only alternative is the bank 2ball cornor pocket. as he wants to also leave the 6 to stay in your way w/ the 8.

so this time do another safty. come off the rail first then cuddle upto the 8ball.
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Scenero 2 (pre 9ball cut):
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(this is prolly how i would play it) anyone else have any ideas?)

CrispyFish
09-19-2003, 09:41 AM
What about:

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Making the bank is unlikely, but if you do, you've got decent shape on the 14 to break out the cluster. If not, you've at least got the 9 near a pocket and your opponent's stuck with no reasonable shot or safety...

Qtec
09-19-2003, 10:03 AM
Its difficult to remember the exact position, but the snooker the 14 wasnt on. Too straight. The bank wasnt really on either.
I think CrispyFish had a soution .

What I didnt want to give him was a chance to play this.
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he could free his ball and snooker me in the same shot.

I had the advantage and wanted to keep it.

What happened was I played it too hard and gave it away.

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He freed his ball and left me behind the 8. Aaaargh.
I should have made sure I had a ball up the table.

In this situation I should always have been too long and never too soft.
I'm still human I guess.


Qtec

cheesemouse
09-19-2003, 10:29 AM
Optimus_P,

I think I would try this:

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...less ball movement and the shoot is all ready on...the only thing required would be good speed parking the nine ball. He would be left rail too rail if he choose to shoot at the 2B and if he kicked for the 6B the nine would be in that area. Hey, you asked /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Optimus_P
09-19-2003, 11:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote cheesemouse:</font><hr> Optimus_P,

I think I would try this:

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...less ball movement and the shoot is all ready on...the only thing required would be good speed parking the nine ball. He would be left rail too rail if he choose to shoot at the 2B and if he kicked for the 6B the nine would be in that area. Hey, you asked /ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif <hr /></blockquote>

i dont know if i could go that route. the safty for the opp. is very obvious and he just needs a nice soft tap. 1 rail +6ball contact and you gave him ball in hand.

do you think it would be better if you still shot at the 9ball but brought the cue ball back to the mid footstring?

from here the opp. will make a leagle shot, but i dont think the avg player would make it. and your 9 is now also in the area for your follow up shot.

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cheesemouse
09-19-2003, 01:33 PM
Optimus_P,

[ QUOTE ]
do you think it would be better if you still shot at the 9ball but brought the cue ball back to the mid footstring?
<hr /></blockquote>

I've set this shot up at home here and it is nearly impossible to nicely speed the 9 into position 'A' while at the same time returning the cb to the center of the table. My shot better follows the KISS method. Besides, why would you want your opponent to get his bridge hand on the table where he has a multiplicity of options on how too execute his next shot. By leaving him on the end rail he is limited in what he can do. Even if he makes a legal hit on the kick to the 6 he must uncover the 8, thereby leaving you a decent out possiblity; advantage to the incoming player...

I don't concider myself a great 8ball player but I am forced to play against some real monster players who continually trap with these simple yet elegant moves. Particularly when playing on barboxes if you can force your opponent to slow roll a shot with high english you have him rolling the dice bigtime.