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nAz
10-31-2003, 05:11 PM
check out this site. do you guys in Euro see us like this? and did you know that I am one of the chief architects behind this plan or i wish i was anyway. /ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2319.htm#REBUILDING

Qtec
11-01-2003, 12:00 AM
Are people over here suspicious of the motives of the USA?

Yes.

As much as I like to criticize GW, I dont really think he is a 'bad'guy. He is just not that clever.

As I have previously stated, this admin has been hijacked. This Pax Americana group have exploited 9/11 to launch this crazy plan and turn the world upside down with no thought to the long term consequences.

This whole Plan was put up on their site as early as 1998. It was lying in a drawer with the with all the other plans/projects proposed by other fanatical 'Foundations'/lobby groups.

That is till 9/11.

These people are dangerous. They think they are and deserve to be the World,s police, but they are very selective in their policing. Look how slow and grudgingly they reacted in Liberia.

The police are supposed to uphold the law and set an example. Standard practice now is arrest and detention without trial.
Not only that, if you are a suspected terrorist [ and you only have to be Arab/moslim to be one!]you can be picked up out of your bed in Gambia [ illegaly] and be flewn to Guantanamo Bay [ illegaly] and God knows what else.

Maybe after 2/3 years you will finally be charged and be brought before a military court and sentenced by same. Your only defense will be a military lawyer and you cannot call witnesses.
Chances are you will be sentenced to death if found guilty. Many are guilty, thats for sure, but many may be innocent,[ we know how bad U.S intelligence is!].

Now, if this is an example of the 'New Order', I think most non Americans will choose the old. This sort of 'heavy handed-no respect for the law' attitude is only counter productive. It certainly doesnt put the Arabs minds at ease.

There is a difference between respect and fear. Fear breeds contempt. If the ultimate aim is peace,you have to have the support of the people.
You also have to show respect.
Stupid things like searching a house with dogs. Its bad enough going into an Arabs house with your shoes on, but dogs!

Imagine 10 arabs came into your house and they all had a s##t on your carpet and thm walked around your whole house in it. Thats how they see soldiers with dogs in their house.
There seems to be a totall lack of respect and understanding, which as you see in Baghdad is causing problems.
The present Iraqi Govt[ Iraqi nationals ] is made up mostly of a group which for the last 10 years or so has been promising the moon to anyone who could get rid of Saddam and put them back in power.
[ One of the main players was involved in a major bank fraud in Jordan!]
Personally, I think America attacked Iraq because they knew for sure that Saddam didnt have a nuclear weapon.

All empires fall eventually, thats a fact. The Romans,the Greeks, the Persians and the Brittish have all
failed in their attempts to 'rule the World'.
The problem now is , what if the US does leave Iraq?
A power vacum in Iraq would be a disaster. Who knows what will happen as everybody makes a grab for a piece of the pie.

The good thing is Saddam is gone, but the US, because of its insistance in hanging onto power, is creating a recipe for disaster.

Q

JimS
11-02-2003, 01:52 PM
It has been my fear or premonition ever since 9/11 that the disaster would encourage our big brothers to take control and convince "us" that we are in danger and absolutely need them to take care of us. In fact I've even wondered if its possible that GW and his gang were behind 9/11 perpetrating that disaster as a means to permenantly take power.

I've been, with tongue somewhat planted in cheek, predicting that within ten years we will no longer be having presidential elections as "they" will convince "us" that we can't take the chance on electing someone who won't be able to protect us the way only they can and therefore they are doing us a great favor in cancelling elections until further notice....when the danger has passed. I say it like I'm only kidding but I can't help but wonder how close to the truth this seemingly ridiculous idea might be. That's the way all their "boys" preach....Rush, Paul Harvey, etc.

I can't help but wonder, as I write this, if I'll be heard from again after this is posted or if I really want to post it and let them know who and where I am. I certainly believe that the ideas contained in the article you've brought to this thread are entirely possible. Likely in fact.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-03-2003, 07:11 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Quote JimS:</font><hr> ....I've even wondered if its possible that GW and his gang were behind 9/11 perpetrating that disaster as a means to permenantly take power.

<font color="blue">I hope your tongue is in your cheek on the above statement also . </font color>

I've been, with tongue somewhat planted in cheek, .....


.......I can't help but wonder, as I write this, if I'll be heard from again after this is posted or if I really want to post it and let them know who and where I am....

<font color="blue">Too late. eg8r and I have already dispatched Oliver North and the Republican death squad. /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif </font color>

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nAz
11-03-2003, 11:44 AM
"I certainly believe that the ideas contained in the article you've brought to this thread are entirely possible. Likely in fact."

yes i believe this is a long term goal of the U.S. Gov. long before Dubya came into power.

Qtec
11-03-2003, 12:20 PM
New American Century

Statement of Principals

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz


Q

Vapros
11-04-2003, 11:14 AM
I am faxing a dollar to help start a fund to buy QTec a camel and a very small burnoose.

Wally_in_Cincy
11-04-2003, 12:16 PM
a small one? where will he wear it? /ccboard/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

burnoose

n : a long hooded cloak woven of wool in one piece; worn by Arabs and Moors [syn: burnous, burnouse]