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    Diamond coin-ops

    The Patriot Cup used one of Diamond's coin operated tables. I spoke to Greg Sullivan about these tables and he said they are making both the 9 and 7 foot tables that can distinguish between ordinary cue balls and the object balls allowing standard sets of balls to be used. These tables will allow the bar players to play a game that is just like on the 9 footers. His intention is to make the the two tables play the same and possibly get more players interested in supporting the professional events. If anyone is interested in how the table distinguishes between the balls here is a link to the patent:

    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...l+AND+billiard

    The table worked flawlessly at the tournament with a red circle ball and the players adapted to it quickly. I think some of them have played in bars.
    Ken

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    Re: Diamond coin-ops

    That is super news. If bars were able to provide tables that used a "normal" pool ball, I would expect to see an immediate improvement in the level of bar play, and a wider interest in the game.

    Also, I believe the new found ability to properly control the cue ball would lead to an increase in the interest of bar players to furthur develop their game. This might translate to spending more time in the bars; but I anticipate it would also motivate many players to spend some or more time in real pool halls.

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    Re: Diamond coin-ops

    Ken,
    There is a gentleman pool promoter in my area named John Steich(sp)and he will be setting up for our BCA event at the end of this month. He told me that he switched to the Diamond 7foot coin-op's and we will be playing on them at this event. They are also covered with Mercury Ultra. I can hardly wait...I do have a question for you. Are the slates and pockets cut to be very excepting of the ball, say, like a Valley slopbox???

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    They are absolutely NOT cut like the Valleys. Greg is quite adamant that his intent is to put out a 7 foot table that plays the same as the 9 foot such as the tables at Derby City. That's not to say that they will necessarily have the pro size 4 9/16 pocket openings but the angle of the cut and the depth of the slate will be designed to play just like the commercial 9 footers. His intent is to make the transition to 9 feet to be seamless except for the length of some shots. Cushions and cloth will probably be the same unless there is a good reason to make a change. He seems determined to get the bar table players to play the same game as the pro players. One of the things he was doing in Tampa was testing the Granito cloth. He will not be using it (unless you insist on it, of course).
    Ken

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    Re: Diamond coin-ops

    Tom: Interesting comment. However, I play at a bar for a different reason. At pool halls people come in and play with thier friends on a table for $9.00 per hour. I can't walk up and start playing one of them. In a bar the coin-opps are up for challenge and you get to play a wide variety of players and if you win you play for free. I would love to find a pool hall that had a table set aside for all challengers. Just pay a $1.00 and keep it as long as you win. I know this sounds crazy but the only thing I don't like about bars are the drunks. They get in the way of a good pool game. I see no difference in my game going from a 7 to an 8ft. After a couple of racks I do just as well on either one. I just like the bar package.

    PoolFool

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    All I have to say is I hope these Diamonds become the norm and the valley's become conversation pieces.

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    >All I have to say is I hope these Diamonds become the norm and the valley's become conversation pieces.

    I agree with you on wanting better bar tables, but it will take a long time before bars or the supplier of their tables are willing to buy all new tables for the sake of pool players. Bars are in the business of selling drinks, it just so happens that drunk people like to play pool and couldn't care less if they are playing on a good table or a piece of junk. The only people who it concerns are the league players, and the once or twice a week that leagues are in the bar it is not worth it to the bottom line to shell out a couple grand for a new table.

    Just my $.02

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    Hi Stauber, I know that is reality, but I can dream. I just don't care for Valley's, and until recently there was no other option. Around here in the BB tourney's they generally will use red circles (two a table, and open the tables to retrieve whitey if necessary) which is nice but it still isn't the same game as the 9 footers.

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    Ken,
    Thanks for the information. Nobody around here has played on them or for that matter even heard of them. If they play like shrunk down 9footers I will be ecstatic. I'm so sick of lesser grade players getting away with poorly struck shots, that still fall on the Valleys, I can hardly express it in words......it will be a pleasure to see these same players swelling up those poorly struck shots and wondering why. The sight of this will transport me to cloud nine. Now they can be miserable instead of me. Oh goddie goodie!!!!!!!!

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    I hope you don't mind me intruding on your thread but I have to believe your assuming the tables in bars are there for the players.
    They are there to generate revenue. That means as many of those silver colored copper coins as possible. The faster balls go in the hole the faster some drunk (Valued customer) plops down 4 more coins. The bar owners don't want to compete with the pool halls, they want to say, "Great shot, I would never have thought to seven rail that shot, You want another beer. . . that'll be three bucks, thank you."

    Valley is a bar owners dream come true.

    Cami (New to this board)

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