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    Well Folks, How many more laws will King George break before the right wakes up, and the lawmakers finally impeach this man? How can he use expediency as an excuse for neglecting informing the court of his spying on Americans, when the law states that he may inform the court after the fact, and within 72 hours IOW,
    retroactive?????????? He refuses to report his actions, even retroactively.....

    FISA provides him the option in case of emergencies, to inform the special FISA court within 72 hours, AFTER he spies, if he deems spying on us as an emergency, too urgent for any delay, it only takes a couple of hours. He refuses. He also made a distinction between "Monitoring" in this case meaning on-going spying on us, and just trolling around here and there, on whomever, where ever, and whenever he pleases.

    Given that He appointed Gonzales, is it any wonder that Gonzales doesn't know the law? I wonder if Harriet was involved in any of these decisions, surely her involvment could get him off the hook? NOBODY could expect her to know the law.

    Suffice it to say, King George will not be known as a man who could rise to the occasion in emergencies, since so far, he has failed each trial, 9/11, leisurely reading to children while the NYTC was under attack, and terrorists were enroute to the Pentagon and the Capital, then following up by waging war against people who had nothing to do with it, while the real perpetrator escaped into the mountains,.... Katrina, we all saw his idea of staying on top of that emergency situation, a fly-over, four days later,.... it seems our King can't even handle a wire tap emergency without screwing that up too....could it be that he is keeping all wire taps secret because he is abusing power? Naw, he wouldn't do that....we have no reason to think he would, after all, he's been born again, and God is telling him what to do, he wouldn't out a CIA agent just to get even, so let's just let him spy on anyone he choses. And why should we expect this poor man to have to have accurately handled wading through all that intelligence and not realizing that there was any chance that, contrary to his wishes, Saddam had no WMD's, even if the CIA did include a good deal of information to question the theory, which of course, he left out of all his mushroom speeches.

    I don't suppose there is any impropriety involved in his appointing Viveca Novak's husband to a job with elections, this week, either, and it must be just a coincidence that he won't comment on the "On-going investigations" of his own chief of staff, but thinks it completely appropriate to announce to the world that Tom Delay, also under investigation, is innocent of all charges, a statement which he denied making a few hours later.

    To top it all off, he rejected the opportunity to keep the Patriot Act alive for three months, while it is being tweaked over by the Congress and the Senate, and then in an angry jaw rolling outburst during his press conference today, named the states of certain Senators who will be among "Politicians" to be at fault if we are attacked with no Patriot Act to protect us. Yes, he killed it, but it won't be his fault....it's the Democrats....although there were plenty Reupblicans who did not want to renew the Patriot Act without taking a second look at it, a plan for which both sides had overwhelmingly voted in the first place. So, who is playing partisan politics...???...King George, that's who.


    The new rule is .... any congressman or Senator who speaks out against King George, or any of the laws he breaks, or lies that he tells, will be referred to as a "Politician" and any questioning of his dictatorship, will be referred to as "Partisan" politics during wartime. Yep, he's got all the bases covered, "Just Let George Do It." He IS the King after all, and beyond checks and balances, questioning, or accountability.
    Brit Hume's last comment after spending a day with King George .... "He enjoys the POWER of being President."


    He makes Nixon look like a boy scout. Atleast Nixon tried to cover up his unlawful behavior, King George doesn't even have to cover it up, he is right in your face about it, for the right will say, yes, King, you do have on a beautiful suit of clothes.

    Careful how you comment on the King, remember, Big Brother is watching...

    Gayle in Md.

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    "Will the circle be unbroken,...."
    It seems we have come full circle, from the wire tapping of the cross-dressing J. Ed8r Hoover, to the cross bearing GWB...all done of course, in the interest of national security. the problem is that when less honorable men are entrusted with this, like say Tricky Dick Cheney, there is a
    remote chance that this could be used against good, law abiding( unless they pass a law against dissent), American citizens....
    In the meantime as Bush angrily lashes out at those who oppose his regime....the "Madness of King George" grows daily

    I think we should all dial a random phone # in another country, leave a cryptic message like "The eagle has landed" and hang up.
    We have progressed from "oil for arms" to "blood for oil"

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    Ahhh, good old George, he's the only one that truly puts the As(s) in Texas [img]/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ccboard/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [img]/ccboard/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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    LOL...There is so much spin twirling out of the republican spin machine on this illegal surveilance business I'm afraid the world will tilt on it's axis, lol. They're acting like it would never have occured to the terrorists that we would be doing everything possible to track their phone calls, like the NYTimes has given away some big secret! And trying to blame the few congressmen, only the Democratic ones, naturally, that he confided in for not speaking up, when they couldn't speak up about classified information.

    Alan Dershawitz, sp.(Poolteacher, this may be a spelling error, better alert the post police)of Harvard Law School Fame, said he looked into the case, and Bush absolutely has broken Federal Law. Victoria Tengsen was on C-Span this morning claiming that the Constitution gives the President the power to do as he has done. Dershowitz claims that the whole reason why the law came about in the first place was to insure that no president, or any other Government Official could abuse Constitutional Powers. I'm sure this will be an on-going debate, but the question to me is, if he could report all this after the fact, and didn't, then what is he hiding. Suppose the investigation reveals that he was spying on his enemies, maybe even the NY Times, Oh my, that would put things into a quandry for Ken Melman, the saliva would be flying so fast his interviewers would have to wear rain hats, you know the kind, with the clear plastic face panels, not to mention that Anne Coulter could become so shrill, she might just explode, in one of those rare spontaneous combustion incidents, or even worse, her implants could rupture! Oh my, WMD's right on National Television!


    Regardless of how this plays out, word up is that Amramhoff is trying to cut a deal with Prosecutors, since he already knows that the aid from Delay's office is already in the process of doing the same. This case has some very far reaching tenticles. Republicans will be campaigning from their jail cells next year....

    Meanwhile, King George may very well come down with a severe case of TMJ, [img]/ccboard/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] since his jaw was rolling back and forth so fast, maybe we'll get lucky, and he won't be able to talk for a month or two, that way we could bring in the New Year with a few weeks of no lies from the King.

    Gayle in Md.


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    Can you kick out a president during a war?

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    Sure, if he breaks a federal law, but with the Republicans having the majority in both houses, it wouldn't happen unless the public outcry demamded it, however, Bush's poll numbers, which had taken a slight upward turn, are turning downward again today.

    It seems like I heard today that they have voted to have an investigation into this spying thing. The problem all along in investigating this bunch has been the Republicans block the Democrats of any subpoena rights. That might not work this time, though, because there is so much public outcry. Americans don't like to have their privacy rights infringed on. That is why the Reupblican furor against the sunset clause in the Patriot Act is so ridiculous. The Democrats put that clause in there so that it could be checked into later, since some of the Patriot Act involved too much spying on Americans, Library cards, for one thing, and they felt that some of the P.Act could be subject to abuse. I do think there was some timing involved in this NYTimes story breaking on the very day that the fight started about whether or not to renew the Patriot Act. Democrats wanted some time, they asked for three months to review it and decide whether America was safer, and we need not lose some of our freedoms which we lost in the P Act. Bush and the republicans went nuts, and Bush said he would reject it altogether if they didn't renew it as it was. Democrats were willing to let it continue for three months or even long if necessary while it was under review. Now the Republicans are saying that Democrats killed the Patriot Act. The truth is, the President killed it. The President and the Republicans want their way, at all times, about all things, and then they find ways of spinning everything to make the average Joe out there who doesn't get anything but the headlines believe that everything is the Democrats fault.

    My personal thoughts are that someone in the secret group of Senators or Congressmen, which Bush had told about he crooked spying spoke about it on the hill in confidence to trusted coharts, and maybe one of them knew the Times had the story and had been sitting on it...just a guess...

    Anyway, Thank goddness it came out when it did. Naturally, Democrats were not about to renew it after learning about Bush's secret spying, against the Federal FISA laws....This isn't going to go away easily.

    Spygate, LeakGate, Bribegate, maybe we'll eventually get to Iraqgate, and expose the truth about the lies he told to the whole world about WMD's....

    Gayle in Md.

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    "Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires-a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."

    George W Bush
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    http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2...21-381579.html
    I'll start respecting your opinion when you stop making sh*t up.

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    Gayle, think about this...it's not house or senate bill 101, it's not the war emergency act.....it's the...drum roll
    "Patriot Act" Mr Orwell would have been so proud.....
    How could any politician, in these dangerous times, vote against the PATRIOT act? why, it'd be downright unpatriotic to do so......
    On the surface it is a tool that is needed to help fight against terrorism....however when you empower a select group of people, like the present oligarchy (or is that oiligarchy?) when you cede them the power to violate the very laws designed to protect people from unjust investigations...and these powers are passed on to their successors.......then you do run the risk of an ultra right wing form of Fascism. That GWB aready considers his decisions to be above the law, just a few years after the
    act was signed into law.....is a clear example of how power can corrupt.
    Could we trust Dick, Hillary, Rudy, etc with these powers?
    Well, maybe Jeb...he is one of the chosen few.
    I was taught that our government operates under a system of checks and balances.....guess we are removing some of the balances.
    Let's see now......misrepresenting the facts about Iraq's war plans....I thought it was a lie, but no, just a minor error....and then illegally spying on citizens.....but i guess we'll have to catch him screwing an intern before we get interested in bringing up any charges.

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    LOL, yeah, and he is already saying that he was referring only to the Patriot Act. This bunch has an answer for every time they break the law. John Dean told Barbara Boxer that this is the first time he has ever seen a president come right out and admit to an impeachable offense...John Dean, former Nixon White House Council...I guess he ought to know, huh???

    Gayle in Md.

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