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    Liberalism Caused Sandy Hook Tragedy

    he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.
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    The death of innocents has long been considered by the left to be a small price to pay for empowering the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llotter View Post
    he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.
    That is an impossible frame in which to fit these events. The mother of this man took her own safety seriously, and into her own hands, by amassing a (smallish but lethal) arsenal including these very weapons used-- couple of Glocks, and the Bushmaster semi-auto rifle. She had withdrawn her son from regular school to home school him. She was doing the self reliance thing you call for, and her son was a product of that self reliance. He shot her in the face and then used her weapons for this carnage. How does that fit into your narrative?

    The issue of who did what with the mentally ill is not entirely clear, but it happened on Reagan's watch during his term by his policies, whether urged upon him by the left or not. That's among the ways the homeless population grew like topsy-- mentally ill people without support living on the streets. It was the dismantling of the coverage of outpatient mental health under Medicaid, as I've read it, under new laws that required Reagan's signature. Did he oppose this? Did he veto it, only to have the veto overridden? I've never seen anything like that, which would have been exculpatory of his responsibility for that changed policy. So far as I know, he owns this critical and decisive change in how those things were handled, by approving it and signing it into law without demurral.
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    Not impossible at all. He had divorced parents, something that has grown more than five-fold since the take over of the lefties in the 60's. The mother has a lot of company in being concerned about her safety based on recent record levels of gun sales. The Tea Party is all about the pennding breakdown and chaos from the Lefts uncontrolled big government spending programs, leading to bankruptcy. Virtually every measure of a good and moral society has dramatically worsened in the last 50 years since the attack on our Christian culture. Since we 'legally' kill a million+ babies a year, it is difficult for many to distinguish right from wrong anymore.

    Your history of deinstitutionaling mental patients is way off track.

    Wiki: The United States has experienced two waves of deinstitutionalization. Wave one began in the 1950s and targeted people with mental illness.[43] The second wave began roughly fifteen years after and focused on individuals who had been diagnosed with a developmental disability (e.g. mentally impaired).[43] Although these waves began over fifty years ago, deinstitutionalization continues today; however, these waves are growing smaller as fewer people are sent to institutions.

    Again, form Wiki, it was the Left that used their usual tactics to tear apart the social norms.

    The prevailing public arguments, time of onset, and pace of reforms varied by country.[7] In the United States, class action lawsuits and the scrutiny of institutions through disability activism and antipsychiatry helped expose poor conditions and treatment. Sociologists and others argued that such institutions maintained or created dependency, passivity, exclusion, and disability, which caused people to remain institutionalised. Rosenhan's experiment in 1973 "accelerated the movement to reform mental institutions and to deinstitutionalize as many mental patients as possible."[8]
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    A 2008 study by Baylor University researchers found that clergy in the US often deny or dismiss the existence of a mental illness. Of 293 Christian church members, more than 32 percent were told by their church pastor that they or their loved one did not really have a mental illness, and that the cause of their problem was solely spiritual in nature, such as a personal sin, lack of faith or demonic involvement. The researchers also found that women were more likely than men to get this response. All participants in both studies were previously diagnosed by a licensed mental health provider as having a serious mental illness.[162] However, there is also research suggesting that people are often helped by extended families and supportive religious leaders who listen with kindness and respect, which can often contrast with usual practice in psychiatric diagnosis and medication.[163]

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    Mental Disorders in America

    Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.2 Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness.1 In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada.3 Many people suffer from more than one mental disorder at a given time. Nearly half (45 percent) of those with any mental disorder meet criteria for 2 or more disorders, with severity strongly related to comorbidity.1

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    What duz the COTUS say about mental illness?? -- The mentally ill kan bear arms, unless injun or black or female.
    What duz the The Holey Bible say???? -- The mentally ill shood be stoned to death, if a miracle worker karnt be found.
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    In your long history of disgusting posts, this rates near the top, or bottom.
    Good ole larry. Always striving for new lows.
    May God bless all of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by llotter View Post
    he Nanny State undermines the responsibility of citizens to provide for their own welfare and thus provides ample opportunity for people to act irresponsibly. In this case there is the added question of mental problems but even here the liberals must take responsibility for closing institutions to protect the ill and the public. The atheistic Left has done its best to red America of its Christian heritage and introduce multiculturalism that denies Truth, Justice and the American Way.
    Face a wall. Then keep banging your head over and over into that wall. Could you do that for me?
    All these little babies being buried. Meanwhile, you and larry and sev are giddy over blaming the left for this tragedy.
    You three seriously make me want to puke.
    May God bless all of you.

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    Your history of deinstitutionaling mental patients is way off track.
    Yes it was, and it has been for a long time. I appreciate the correction. Not that Saint Reagan was blameless, and I'll bring up some evidence as to what he did, first in pioneering the deinstitutionalization in California (in the second phase you mention), and then in 1981. It amounts to failing to CORRECT the failings of the over release of the mentally impaired with a support infrastructure with adequate funding. Details to come.
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