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    Why the Republicans lost

    Ari Melber
    10/01/2013
    MSNBC
    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/10/01/why-t...ublicans-lost/

    You can blame both political parties for many of Washington’s controversial policies, from the war on drugs to the explosion of corporate lobbying. The new government shutdown, however, is not that kind of story.

    It is an avoidable crisis caused solely by Republicans in the U.S. House. Here’s why.

    A majority of Congress actually opposes the shutdown

    The federal government shut down for one reason: House Republicans did not pass a six-week funding bill.

    That doesn’t mean a majority of the House opposed the bill, however. In fact, the House never got to vote on it.

    Speaker John Boehner refused to hold a vote on funding alone–a “clean” bill–instead only allowing votes on funding plans that undermined Obamacare. The Senate rejected those bills, and Boehner never brought a clean bill to the floor before the deadline for funding the government.

    If Boehner had simply held a vote on funding alone, 200 House Democrats would back him and he’d only need 17 Republicans to prevail. The votes are there, according to several Republican members who spoke out this weekend.

    By standing in the way of majority rule, Boehner took an entirely avoidable shutdown and made it inevitable.

    The funding bill includes spending cuts demanded by Republicans

    Another key fact: the last major government shutdown, in 1995, was largely driven by a dispute over federal spending. That’s not the case today.

    The six-week funding proposal already included the bulk of spending cuts demanded by Republicans in the sequester. The “clean” funding bill does not use the president’s budget numbers, or budget figures from before the automatic sequester began. It continues the sequester cuts for domestic spending, with some smaller cuts carved out for defense.

    That means the package is “far closer to the overall spending levels that the Republicans want than what the Democrats have proposed,” as MSNBC’s Suzy Khimm reported–a GOP victory. In fact, It’s $70 billion less than the Democrats’ request, a fact which has disappointed many liberals.

    Yet when Republicans won their demands to cut spending, that only spurred Tea Party members in the House to issue new demands.

    ObamaCare

    That brings us to Obamacare. The shutdown is the House Republicans’ fault because they refused to fund the government unless the president signed a law rolling back his signature domestic policy, the Affordable Care Act.

    This kind of legislative blackmail is not only historically unusual; it is strategically absurd.

    No serious observer expected the Democratic Senate to support, or President Obama to sign, a bill reversing Obamacare. Just ask Speaker Boehner.

    As recently as March, he categorically ruled out that approach, since it was so obviously futile.

    “I believe that trying to put ‘Obamacare’ on this vehicle risks shutting down the government,” Boehner told reporters asking about the plan, “that’s not what our goal is.”

    While Republicans famously held a series of symbolic, stand-alone votes against Obamacare, Boehner said even that messaging exercise should end after the 2012 election. “It’s pretty clear that the president was reelected,” he said a few days after election day, “Obamacare is the law of the land.”

    That is the backdrop for the one-sided shutdown Americans faced on Tuesday. We are experiencing a costly exercise not only opposed by most of the public, and most of Congress, but opposed by the very Republican who arranged it.

    It’s a dynamic so strange, and so one-sided, that many observers may prefer to fall back on more typical stories about both parties “bickering” and how “Washington is broken.” That is partly true–right now, the U.S. House may be broken as a functioning democratic body. But that’s because John Boehner and the Tea Party broke it.
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    Nothing is more disgusting that watching a bunch of overwieight pigs waddle up to cut off funding for basic needs of their fellow Americans, like health care, food for hungry children, care for the ill and the aged.

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    Gayle, I'm happy to see you here again. I was worrying that something had happened to you.
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    Hello dear friend! I have been meaning to call you. I'll fill you in when I do call, as to why you haven't already heard from me.

    I do think of you every day.

    You'll hear from me soon.

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    In 1975 or 76 the Ozzy GOP refuzed to fund the then Labour government and the overweight drunkard pig Governor General sacked Prime Minister Whitlam and installed Frazer (the leader of the Ozzy GOP) az interim Prime Minister and called for new elektions which the GOP won.

    At prezent the GOP rules in the UK and Canada and Ozz, theze are dark days -- but thankfully it dont rule in theusofa.
    edit -- I forgotted about NZ -- do they hav a GOP or a Labour, i dunno, never been to NZ, best kuntry on oight, i wished i lived there, best trout fishing, lots of billiards, lucky bastards.

    Anyhow congratulations on your new healthcare system -- wellkum to the modern world.
    mac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cushioncrawler View Post
    In 1975 or 76 the Ozzy GOP refuzed to fund the then Labour government and the overweight drunkard pig Governor General sacked Prime Minister Whitlam and installed Frazer (the leader of the Ozzy GOP) az interim Prime Minister and called for new elektions which the GOP won.

    At prezent the GOP rules in the UK and Canada and Ozz, theze are dark days -- but thankfully it dont rule in theusofa.
    edit -- I forgotted about NZ -- do they hav a GOP or a Labour, i dunno, never been to NZ, best kuntry on oight, i wished i lived there, best trout fishing, lots of billiards, lucky bastards.

    Anyhow congratulations on your new healthcare system -- wellkum to the modern world.
    mac.
    Thanks Mac,
    Now if we culd only get majority back in The House, we could possibly overturn the disastrous Citizens United decision prosecuted against our Democratic Principles by the fascists Supreme Court RATS, Roberts, Alito, Thomas and Scalia, they sold out our One person, one vote, handing over our future to corporate fascists pigs like Koch Bros., Karl Marx Rove, NRA, and the corrupt Koch sponsored PAC's among us, who created the TeaBubbas who are currently destroying the USA and the globe.

    RepliglaKochs are now destroying us with their dark, hidden money, creating anarchists with evil intentions who take food from the hungry, and continue to destroy recovery.

    The shock doctrine on steroids.

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    Yes -- useless bankers and moneymen kontrolling corporations and gov and krappynomix and the environment and the future.
    Remoov corporate rights.
    Remoov corporate (non-private) donations to gov (and union donations).
    Remoov God from classrooms.
    Tax God.
    mac.

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