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    Unhappy America has the best health care system?

    Some people say America has the #1 health care system in the world. Those people are probably not counting the other 36 countries that are beating us. Aasif Mandvi decided to go investigate whether we really have the not-best system ever. What he finds is kind of appalling. At 4:00 is the most awkward 15 seconds I've seen in quite some time, you can watch it here: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...nessee-edition

    BTW, if you are poor and can't afford the best care, the solution is simple (according to conservatives): just stop being poor!
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    Watch an expert teach a smug U.S. senator about Canadian healthcare

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...#ixzz2vrOUkzs4

    (The ultimate zinger came at the end of the exchange, when Burr thought he had Martin down for the count about wait times in Canada, and she neatly put the difference between the Canadian and U.S. systems in perspective.)


    BURR: On average, how many Canadian patients on a waiting list die each year? Do you know?


    MARTIN: I donít, sir, but I know that there are 45,000 in America who die waiting because they donít have insurance at all.



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    Could it happen to us? Of course. From where I sit, a global economic catastrophe would be the blow that started the dominoes falling. The inability of the government in Washington to pay its bills, especially for the military, could cause a rapid breakdown in the system. It is unthinkable that the US would face a military challenge from its neighbors, but an inability to guard its borders, which we’re living through now with Mexico, would allow for a peaceful invasion from outside tribes, so to speak (well, a bigger one than we’re now experiencing). And the weakness of society — the fraying of communal bonds, the decline of the family, the loss of personal discipline and the forgetting of skills necessary to self-reliance — would compound the chaos. As the Oxford historian Bryan Ward-Perkins, a specialist in the Late Roman period, told me, we are especially vulnerable because of the extreme complexity of our system. Ward-Perkins points out that when the Romans withdrew from Britain, the level of material culture and knowledge there collapsed spectacularly, and didn’t recover for centuries. Given our technological capabilities, it seems impossible for a similar fate to befall us — I mean, people in the erstwhile Roman Britain, and in other regions once ruled by Rome, not only forgot what they knew, but forgot that they had forgotten. Could that happen to us? I don’t see it. But then, nobody ever sees this coming.

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    Hmmmmmm -- the above Xray of theusofa duznt look good. The usofa might die it says. The main cancer iz not being able to pay its bills it says. How kan the usofa not pay its bills????? It duznt say.

    Not being able to pay its bills.
    Possible frayed community bonds. This means white bonds.
    Decline of the family. This means white familys.
    Loss of personal discipline. This means white familys stop going to church eech sunday.
    Forgetting skills for self reliance. This means white skills, banking, stockbroking, insurance etc.

    Tsk tsk tsk tsk. Not a good Xray.
    And worst of all, nobody ever sees it coming. Nobody. Ever.
    I would ask for an ultrasound scan.
    And a CT scan.
    And an MRI.
    A laparoscopy.
    A hysteroscopy.
    An endoscopy.

    But its too late. The problem goze back to the The Constitution. A birth defekt. The usofa never had a chance.
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    Again, I showed them the photos I took in Yemen and explained how nice the island's flora and fauna had been. That the dolphins come and hang out, even in the shallow water and how cheap the lobsters were. I showed them the Dragonblood trees and the Bedouin family where I had to eat goat intestines. They did not seem to appreciate it as much as I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloViejo View Post
    Watch an expert teach a smug U.S. senator about Canadian healthcare

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...#ixzz2vrOUkzs4

    (The ultimate zinger came at the end of the exchange, when Burr thought he had Martin down for the count about wait times in Canada, and she neatly put the difference between the Canadian and U.S. systems in perspective.)


    BURR: On average, how many Canadian patients on a waiting list die each year? Do you know?


    MARTIN: I don’t, sir, but I know that there are 45,000 in America who die waiting because they don’t have insurance at all.



    I watched that live, and it was great! She was abslutely correct, and there have been millions waiting for the Affordable Care Act so that they could finally have the peace of being medically insured, but sadly, too many have died while waiting for our ACA to be available, direct victims of the Repiglican Party's time wasting obstruction.

    I applaud president Obama, AND the Democrats for launching the ACA, and it will be even better if we can obstruct Repiglicans from filling more seats across this country, and prevent them from obstrucing people of color from exercising their Constitutional right to vote.

    Excellent articles, thanks!

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    If u don't hav insurance then u kannot be waiting ie az if on a waiting list, if u are not waiting then u karnt die waiting. They simply die, while not waiting.
    But we aint really talking about a healthcare system, we are talking about a healthcare insurance system. A different thing.
    More than that, most global insurance systems are mainly a socialist help the poor systems, ie they aint just straight pure insurance.

    What me and everyone else iz waiting for iz for the usofa to die a natural death. The usofa iz based on weak and strong, the weak die. Its time for theusofa to die. Thusly this way the usofa would proov that it works, funny that, proving u work by dieing.
    mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cushioncrawler View Post
    If u don't hav insurance then u kannot be waiting ie az if on a waiting list, if u are not waiting then u karnt die waiting. They simply die, while not waiting.
    But we aint really talking about a healthcare system, we are talking about a healthcare insurance system. A different thing.
    More than that, most global insurance systems are mainly a socialist help the poor systems, ie they aint just straight pure insurance.

    What me and everyone else iz waiting for iz for the usofa to die a natural death. The usofa iz based on weak and strong, the weak die. Its time for theusofa to die. Thusly this way the usofa would proov that it works, funny that, proving u work by dieing.
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    So, you finally admit that you hate the USA?

    Guess what, Mac, we already knew that.

    Additionally, all countries are based on the weak and the strong, that happens to be "Life" everywhere.

    Not much of what you write here adds up to anything resembling common sense, but now, as you continue to attack my country, while proving your own limited common sense, you are also telling us you want to see our country die?

    Are you really THAT jealous of America, Mack?

    I can assure you that Americans aren't even thinking about your country, so whjy are you so obsessed with our country?

    You'd better spend your time worrying about your own country, Mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gayle in MD View Post
    So, you finally admit that you hate the USA? Guess what, Mac, we already knew that. Additionally, all countries are based on the weak and the strong, that happens to be "Life" everywhere. Not much of what you write here adds up to anything resembling common sense, but now, as you continue to attack my country, while proving your own limited common sense, you are also telling us you want to see our country die? Are you really THAT jealous of America, Mack? I can assure you that Americans aren't even thinking about your country, so whjy are you so obsessed with our country? You'd better spend your time worrying about your own country, Mac. G.
    Gayle, I don't hate theusofa, I hate the people. Az everyone knows I hate superstitious ignorant selfish pink arsed apes everywhere. Thusly I hate society in general.
    mac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cushioncrawler View Post
    Gayle, I don't hate theusofa, I hate the people. Az everyone knows I hate superstitious ignorant selfish pink arsed apes everywhere. Thusly I hate society in general.
    mac.

    I don't hear you writing those things about the people in your own country, Mac.

    I don't see you writing it's time for Oz to die? What would suit you, everyone on the planet, dead?

    Pathetic!

    Nothing good about being such a total pesimist, Mac, and it doesn't make you appear to be more intelligent. Anyone can curse the darkness, rather than light a candle, that's easy.

    Is THAT what you think strong people do?

    Incredible!

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