Quote Originally Posted by DiabloViejo View Post
I was born in Cuba, my father, and uncle, fled Cuba in 1959 because they had participated in counter-revolutionary demonstrations and ambushes. My mother, sister, and I, came to the US as political refugees back in 1961 just before the failed Bay of Pigs invasion.

Another uncle was executed after a revolutionary kangaroo court found him guilty of "crimes against the revolution". His crime? He was a Captain of the police traffic squad in Havana. He had never participated in anything other than his duties as a traffic cop and commander of his traffic squad.

I am a former active duty US Marine (Military Police) who volunteered to serve back in 1974. Although I never served in combat I was ready, willing, and able to serve my country (USA) wherever the job called for it. I served four years and was honorably discharged. I did it because I love my country and I wanted to repay a small part of the kindness that was shown to me and mine by the government / citizens of the US.

You don't know a thing about me. So please lay off with the Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist nonsense.

The Affordable Health Care Act is not socialist "state healthcare" it is simply a requirement to obtain PRIVATE health care which is in turn provided by private medical facilities and doctors. It was not created by democrats or socialists or communists, it was based on Republican ideas (Romneycare in MA).

I am truly sorry about what happened to your grandfather, but your argument is based on a logical fallacy (false analogy/ apples to oranges). American liberals did not kill him, European Social Democrats did not kill him, a corrupt, evil, and tyrannical system killed him, backwardness and stupidity killed him, the Russian penchant for strongman dictators and brutality killed him.

Yes, our PUBLIC education system, (*gasp* there goes that creepy socialism again) was once the envy of the world, so what happened? The conservatives vilified the teachers as "union thugs" and gutted funding for educational programs.

Our universities are still among the very best in the world and are the preferred institutions of higher learning for the sons and daughters of the world's elite who can come in and pay the high costs of tuition and boarding, while middle class Americans find themselves having to load up on debt and basically sell their souls just to pay for second string university costs. Of course the very wealthiest Americans have no such problems paying for an Ivy League education but then again they're "special" and so much more deserving than us mere peons.

Our national pension system (Social Security) was raided by Republicans beginning with Ronald Reagan in order to fund his massive military spending and star wars. Our elderly people are getting dumped on by conservative Republicans who resist and reject any reasonable cost of living adjustments, while promoting corporate welfare and more tax cuts for the very wealthiest, thus placing an ever increasing burden on the middle class and the poor. The ultimate goal of the conservative republicans is to do away with Social Security and replace it with schemes that will assure that the next time the bankers, and their Wall Street partners in crime cause another financial collapse rip-off, the elderly will lose all their retirement money while the criminals make out like the bandits that they are. Privatized profits, socialized losses and huge bonuses for the scammers.

Our media is controlled by a handful of private corporations and exists today mainly to promote whatever the oligarchs want them to. The conservatives have severely cut public radio and television funding to the point that they are no longer independent programming sources. It wasn't the liberals that did this, in fact progressives fought them tooth and nail all along.

Who created the "Patriot Act"? Who ordered the NSA surveillance? Who approved all of the repressive laws? Oh yeah, it was Republicans. Who fought against them? The liberals that you seem to detest so very much.

Conservatives on the Supreme Court have ruled that corporations are people, that the civil rights act is no longer needed, and that money equals free speech. In doing so they have put up our system of government for sale to the highest bidders.

Now you tell me, where do you think the conservative path leads?

Yeah, I am a Communist and a Stalinist just pining away for the good old days of Uncle Joe, Mao, and Pol Pot, just because I believe that the rich and corporations should pay their fair share of our taxes, because I support reinstatement of Glass-Steagal regulation of the banking system, because I want clean air and clean water for all, because (along with 98% of the world's scientists) I believe that Global Warming is a clear and present danger to all humanity, because I believe that women should have reproductive rights, because I believe in investing in our public infrastructure, because I support a living age, because I support voting rights for all, because I believe that in the wealthiest nation on the planet no one should go hungry or homeless, and because I didn't have a conniption fit when an African American was democratically elected TWICE. Yeah I'm a real commie, aren't I tovarisch?
Still spewing all the nonsense I see Fats.
Our politicians are killing our nation no matter which side of aisle they are on and you are right there cheering them on.
The halfbreed in the oval office and his minions are driving nails into Americas coffin as fast as they can. The next group that gets into office will continue the trend.
The only thing that is going to save America another revolution.

Jefferson had it right.

"I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.[1] The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted." - Thomas Jeffersonto William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787[2]