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    The Drone That Killed My Grandson
    By NASSER al-AWLAKI
    Published: July 17, 2013 759 Comments
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    SANA, Yemen — I LEARNED that my 16-year-old grandson, Abdulrahman — a United States citizen — had been killed by an American drone strike from news reports the morning after he died.
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    The missile killed him, his teenage cousin and at least five other civilians on Oct. 14, 2011, while the boys were eating dinner at an open-air restaurant in southern Yemen.

    I visited the site later, once I was able to bear the pain of seeing where he sat in his final moments. Local residents told me his body was blown to pieces. They showed me the grave where they buried his remains. I stood over it, asking why my grandchild was dead.

    Nearly two years later, I still have no answers. The United States government has refused to explain why Abdulrahman was killed. It was not until May of this year that the Obama administration, in a supposed effort to be more transparent, publicly acknowledged what the world already knew — that it was responsible for his death.

    The attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., said only that Abdulrahman was not “specifically targeted,” raising more questions than he answered.

    My grandson was killed by his own government. The Obama administration must answer for its actions and be held accountable. On Friday, I will petition a federal court in Washington to require the government to do just that.

    Abdulrahman was born in Denver. He lived in America until he was 7, then came to live with me in Yemen. He was a typical teenager — he watched “The Simpsons,” listened to Snoop Dogg, read “Harry Potter” and had a Facebook page with many friends. He had a mop of curly hair, glasses like me and a wide, goofy smile.

    In 2010, the Obama administration put Abdulrahman’s father, my son Anwar, on C.I.A. and Pentagon “kill lists” of suspected terrorists targeted for death. A drone took his life on Sept. 30, 2011.

    The government repeatedly made accusations of terrorism against Anwar — who was also an American citizen — but never charged him with a crime. No court ever reviewed the government’s claims nor was any evidence of criminal wrongdoing ever presented to a court. He did not deserve to be deprived of his constitutional rights as an American citizen and killed.

    Early one morning in September 2011, Abdulrahman set out from our home in Sana by himself. He went to look for his father, whom he hadn’t seen for years. He left a note for his mother explaining that he missed his father and wanted to find him, and asking her to forgive him for leaving without permission.

    A couple of days after Abdulrahman left, we were relieved to receive word that he was safe and with cousins in southern Yemen, where our family is from. Days later, his father was targeted and killed by American drones in a northern province, hundreds of miles away. After Anwar died, Abdulrahman called us and said he was going to return home.

    That was the last time I heard his voice. He was killed just two weeks after his father.

    A country that believes it does not even need to answer for killing its own is not the America I once knew. From 1966 to 1977, I fulfilled a childhood dream and studied in the United States as a Fulbright scholar, earning my doctorate and then working as a researcher and assistant professor at universities in New Mexico, Nebraska and Minnesota.

    I have fond memories of those years. When I first came to the United States as a student, my host family took me camping by the ocean and on road trips to places like Yosemite, Disneyland and New York — and it was wonderful.

    After returning to Yemen, I used my American education and skills to help my country, serving as Yemen’s minister of agriculture and fisheries and establishing one of the country’s leading institutions of higher learning, Ibb University. Abdulrahman used to tell me he wanted to follow in my footsteps and go back to America to study. I can’t bear to think of those conversations now.

    After Anwar was put on the government’s list, but before he was killed, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights represented me in a lawsuit challenging the government’s claim that it could kill anyone it deemed an enemy of the state.

    The court dismissed the case, saying that I did not have standing to sue on my son’s behalf and that the government’s targeted killing program was outside the court’s jurisdiction anyway.

    After the deaths of Abdulrahman and Anwar, I filed another lawsuit, seeking answers and accountability. The government has argued once again that its targeted killing program is beyond the reach of the courts. I find it hard to believe that this can be legal in a constitutional democracy based on a system of checks and balances.

    The government has killed a 16-year-old American boy. Shouldn’t it at least have to explain why?

    Nasser al-Awlaki, the founder of Ibb University and former president of Sana University, served as Yemen’s minister of agriculture and fisheries from 1988 to 1990.
    Was this country not founded on idea that all USA citizens should get fair trial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Ulyanov View Post
    Was this country not founded on idea that all USA citizens should get fair trial?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/op...dson.html?_r=0
    Oh, so now you are an apologist for American born Al Qaeda terrorists plotting murder and mayhem against America from the relative safety of Al Qaeda strongholds in Yemen. Brilliant.

    Well...here's my take on it: when you take up arms and join an organization whose stated aim is the destruction and downfall of the USA and turn your back on/betray your fellow citizens.. then maybe, just maybe, you deserve a hellfire up your keister or a bullet in your brain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloViejo View Post
    Oh, so now you are an apologist for American born Al Qaeda terrorists plotting murder and mayhem against America from the relative safety of Al Qaeda strongholds in Yemen. Brilliant.

    Well...here's my take on it: when you take up arms and join an organization whose stated aim is the destruction and downfall of the USA and turn your back on/betray your fellow citizens.. then maybe, just maybe, you deserve a hellfire up your keister or a bullet in your brain.
    I am not an apologist for terrorism at all and when you say this it is a known lie to you.

    My point is that it was Stalinist tradition to accuse and then execute without fair trial. This is what happened here. My alwaki did not take up arms nor was he killed in commission of a crime. He was accused and executed without fair trial you take the word of the Stalinist state as being beyond question and that is dangerous position to take. You either believe in your constitution or you do not. By your own words you do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Ulyanov View Post
    I am not an apologist for terrorism at all and when you say this it is a known lie to you.

    My point is that it was Stalinist tradition to accuse and then execute without fair trial. This is what happened here. My alwaki did not take up arms nor was he killed in commission of a crime. He was accused and executed without fair trial you take the word of the Stalinist state as being beyond question and that is dangerous position to take. You either believe in your constitution or you do not. By your own words you do not.
    Now you're backpedaling and spinning like a top. LOL! Just admit it, you like terrorists.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabloViejo View Post
    Now you're backpedaling and spinning like a top. LOL! Just admit it, you like terrorists.
    Stop misrepresenting what I say. It makes you appear dishonest. If Mr Alwaki is guilty then he should be tried and punished. Is that not supposed to be your system? Your government has snatched many people in foreign lands before. Why not this one? My guess is that at trial Mr Alwaki would have revealed things your government wished not to be known. I do not like tyranny of any type but your government is now run by Stalinist gangsters which you support.

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